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Yeah that idea does sound cool and do-able, im sure theres people here that would want to join that.
on that thought, shotgun being king...\
now go get me some wine ;0
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Nay Silverwolf thou art too much of a dood to be my King.
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I just want to comment on this. I made an order guild around 2 or 3 weeks ago now. I expressed desire for players to contact me if they are interested on forums. I currently have 3 other members of which 2 are real life friends of mine. The problem? No One wants to be Order because they don't want to die. We are an rp guild, we are an order guild, but ive spoken to properly 20 players and not one of them wanted to move to order from neutral and I can't blame them to be honest. I am training my guy up still so Im currently not pvp active even myself, sometimes I just don't understand the actions of some players. Last night for example, Im standing at brit bank trying to help my noob real life friend, I was only wearing a robe and pack was empty. Chaos member recalls into brit and just immediately begins attacking me right infront of brit bank, nothing I could do about it as I was completely unarmed, had no bandages, nothing. Im not complaining, it happens, and fair enough if that's how he wants to play, but I felt it was pretty unnessary really. Exactly the sort of reason the players aren't coming over to order, they don't necessary want to have to have to pvp the moment that a random chaos member recalls into brit and wants to fight. There is more to this game then just pvp, I don't walk everywhere fully kitted out in armour ready to fight someone who comes running into town. Ill keep trying to recruit members and hopefully some people will actually want to join up instead of every pvper just jumping straight to chaos. An idea to make people decide on order would be great really, It would be great to even up the shards ratio of order to chaos.
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I'd love to get more involved in RP, though it does get hard when you are surrounded by internet shorthand and all the "doodz" or people are just afk macroing everywhere so no idea who is actually paying attention or not. I'd be interested in joining an order guild, there are a few issue for me though. Partly it is the guilds I have heard about don't suit my RP (sure there are more that I haven't heard about, just haven't found them yet). I also wouldn't be willing to join one that had a king or queen, I dunno that sort of puts someone too high on a pedestal and if they leave/go inactive it leaves the guild in a bad place from a RP standpoint, I have no issue with a leader of types, like a commander/guild leader or whatever (easy to replace them should the need arise). One the biggest issue is as Boomrak mentioned, I am rather afraid of dying, not because I don't want to die and lose my stuff but more so because simply, my skills are low and it is going to take me a while to get them up before I am anywhere near close to being able to fight remotely well, also I have never PvP before, so I got no idea and am still learning how things work (though I admit I don't even know where to begin, I have been watching where I can but it is still rather bewildering). I'm also from Australia and the lag is terrible, even if I did learn how to PvP sort of well, I'd probably still die due to the fact I'd be lagging like crazy. So with all that in mind, I'm reluctant to join an order guild in case I get "forced" to take on a challenge I have no hope of winning or be shunned by the group because I opted not to.
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IN has always been a mix of RP and non RP players, when RP enforcement and RP-motivated PvP changes came in it killed our playerbase. I think it's great to have people setting an example, e.g. on IN1 guilds like Vampire, Daemon, Goblin, FW etc. never gave up on their RP even if people around them were more dood-like. So don't be discouraged by people who aren't participating, think of them as barbarians or pirates!
Also I'd like to say there is a big difference between people who don't really RP (I kinda include myself here) but still act sensibly and people who act like jackasses and I think most people who don't RP still count in the former group, so don't let it get you down!
I still think your idea (or anyone's idea) of some order guilds that actually stand for order is a good one, unfortunately it will be tough, especially in terms of PvP, but dying and losing fights is all part of the fun, my best memories of UO were of me and Westwood tearing around SH, Minoc and Brit dying as many or more times than we actually killed anyone whilst all of chaos and order were warring with SIN. It was actually a lot less entertaining once we got stronger.
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Ayleth Payne Wrote:I also wouldn't be willing to join one that had a king or queen, I dunno that sort of puts someone too high on a pedestal and if they leave/go inactive it leaves the guild in a bad place from a RP standpoint, I have no issue with a leader of types, like a commander/guild leader or whatever (easy to replace them should the need arise).
I disagree that someone being Queen or King puts them on a pedestal over other characters. RP is really no different than acting. So whoever is playing the part of Queen is acting the part. It's no different than a movie or a production of Shakespeare. Someone has to play King Henry V, that doesn't mean the other parts are not important or that the actor playing King Henry V belongs on a pedestal. If we stay true to the idea of RP then our characters are not extensions of our identities, they are just parts we play in this fictional setting.
If there is a King or Queen that acts tyrannical then there would certainly be a revolt among the members of the guild. The power though lies in the Council and in essence the Queen or King is just an RP device, and a character that has an RP role to play in the guild narrative but not a character that can tell other members what to do.
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Boomrak Brewforge Wrote:I just want to comment on this. I made an order guild around 2 or 3 weeks ago now. I expressed desire for players to contact me if they are interested on forums. I currently have 3 other members of which 2 are real life friends of mine. The problem? No One wants to be Order because they don't want to die. We are an rp guild, we are an order guild, but ive spoken to properly 20 players and not one of them wanted to move to order from neutral and I can't blame them to be honest. I am training my guy up still so Im currently not pvp active even myself, sometimes I just don't understand the actions of some players. Last night for example, Im standing at brit bank trying to help my noob real life friend, I was only wearing a robe and pack was empty. Chaos member recalls into brit and just immediately begins attacking me right infront of brit bank, nothing I could do about it as I was completely unarmed, had no bandages, nothing. Im not complaining, it happens, and fair enough if that's how he wants to play, but I felt it was pretty unnessary really. Exactly the sort of reason the players aren't coming over to order, they don't necessary want to have to have to pvp the moment that a random chaos member recalls into brit and wants to fight. There is more to this game then just pvp, I don't walk everywhere fully kitted out in armour ready to fight someone who comes running into town. Ill keep trying to recruit members and hopefully some people will actually want to join up instead of every pvper just jumping straight to chaos. An idea to make people decide on order would be great really, It would be great to even up the shards ratio of order to chaos.
I think the best way to go about it is not to declare to the order faction but to establish the guild as a lawful guild. What I mean by this is that the guild would be an anti-pk/anti-evil guild and not an order guild in the strict sense of the word. This prevents being attacked and ganged up by chaos in towns and allows the guild to grow.
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Hal Wrote:I disagree that someone being Queen or King puts them on a pedestal over other characters. RP is really no different than acting. So whoever is playing the part of Queen is acting the part. It's no different than a movie or a production of Shakespeare. Someone has to play King Henry V, that doesn't mean the other parts are not important or that the actor playing King Henry V belongs on a pedestal. If we stay true to the idea of RP then our characters are not extensions of our identities, they are just parts we play in this fictional setting.
If there is a King or Queen that acts tyrannical then there would certainly be a revolt among the members of the guild. The power though lies in the Council and in essence the Queen or King is just an RP device, and a character that has an RP role to play in the guild narrative but not a character that can tell other members what to do.
I think you misunderstood what I meant. the issue I have is if the king/queen becomes inactive or leaves and they have no heir then the kingdom crumbles or members dispute who should take over etc.. I've seen it happen and it is not something I wish to partake in again, I'm not saying it won't work, just it is not the type of thing I would get into. I prefer to have more of a military type structure, so lead can easily move down the ranks.
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This reminds me of something.... am I right in recalling... Cynqeur [PK Killers]?
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Ayleth Payne Wrote:I think you misunderstood what I meant. the issue I have is if the king/queen becomes inactive or leaves and they have no heir then the kingdom crumbles or members dispute who should take over etc.. I've seen it happen and it is not something I wish to partake in again, I'm not saying it won't work, just it is not the type of thing I would get into. I prefer to have more of a military type structure, so lead can easily move down the ranks.
the same issue could happen with a guild master.
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Hal Wrote:the same issue could happen with a guild master.
I don't disagree but from a RP standpoint it is easy explained why the next ranking officer takes over whereas deciding who takes over from royalty should there be no heir is a tad more complex. Sure staff could transfer it over if need be. As I said before, I'm not saying it won't work, just I've been involved in such things before and these are the issues it encountered and it didn't end well. Best of luck to you should you go through with it and hopefully you have more success than the ones I have seen.
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Ayleth Payne Wrote:I don't disagree but from a RP standpoint it is easy explained why the next ranking officer takes over whereas deciding who takes over from royalty should there be no heir is a tad more complex. Sure staff could transfer it over if need be. As I said before, I'm not saying it won't work, just I've been involved in such things before and these are the issues it encountered and it didn't end well. Best of luck to you should you go through with it and hopefully you have more success than the ones I have seen.
this proposed guild doesn't have to have a King or Queen. I was just suggesting so for RP reasons. If a bunch of players did want to create their own city it would have to have some sovereign authority. Considering your scenario, if the King or Queen buggers off and can't be found, then what would happen? I think this scenario would bring exciting RP story-lines with individuals politicking for the crown. Not to mention you could already have heirs to the throne in your guild story-line with Princes and Princess's etc.
i think your fears are much more relevant towards guild masters than they are to RP roles like Kings or Queens. If the guild master buggers off then you're pretty screwed. He or she controls the stone. What do you do? If the King buggers off it's easy to RP. The King was killed hunting a dragon, or had a heart attack, or was killed by an assassin, or choked on a ham etc etc.
