[imported_Shade]

Hate, you beat me to it!

[imported_Papa Smurf]

Im not even going to read this whole rediculous post. Heres what im thinking, new players do not have a leg to stand on when saying skill gain is tough. The stone is there so you get 90 MINING and what not which is complete crazyness. Everyone needs to stop *****ing and skill dificulty needs to be increased.

[imported_Reyn]

Its easy enough to get a PVP ready char CONSIDERING you can leave your PC on all night long and macro non stop if you cant do this GOOD LUCK EVER playing this server, maybe in a month or so you might be able to FS someone... as for trade skills, theres no real motivation to even try after seeing what pvp skills are like and how everyone says they are "easy to gm" and trade skills are hard lol. Inbred town of amish brothers

[Eighty Swords]

Andrew, thanks for keeping it mature even at times when you get insulted in ways like that, I wish more people would take example of you, instead of acting like 7 year olds when they are in fact way older than that.

I'm not going to comment on the imatureness in this thread, instead I'm going to comment on the matureness.

When somebody needed help Yankovic, Andrew and Eighty jumped in to help out with what they knew. For every post they made in a mature way all they got was an insult or two, but they still kept it fairly mature and tried to explain what they ment, rather than insulting back and starting a flame war. So instead of saying how disapointed I am in some people and in their imatureness I'm going to say that I am proud of how you guys stayed mature through it all, at least you guys act your age, I wish everybody would do that.

Now for everyone who is not acting their age, listen up cause this is directed towards you: Act mature in this thread or I'll have to lock it and give your account a warning. This may be a game which you started playing when you were 7 years old, but you're not 7 years old anymore, so grow up and stop trying to provoke flamewars. There are ways to tell other players what you think without insulting them or acting imature, trust me, just try it, it's not that hard.

Regards,
Hate

dude were not being imature were saying the skill gain is hard, i mean come on this game is old as **** and it takes so long to actually get a character up and running when there are other games where you just start up play and half fun on the spot

no one likes watching there character do something over 1000000 times for repatition, why do you think all the shards like uo gamers skill gain is easy and have like 800-900 players daily?

I'm pretty sure Hate was talking about all the name calling going on and not people asking for easier skill gain when he said this...



Reyn, I've used Razor for a VERY VERY long time and by now I know how Razor works so please trust me when I say that it will get caught at certain parts of your macro if you don't have the right time delays. Just to explain it to you, let's say Evaluating Intelligence requires a 3 second delay between every time you use it. This is what your macro looks like:

PHP Code:

use evaluating intelligence
target self
wait 1.3 seconds
repeat 


The first time you press run it will use the skill, wait 1.3 second, then try to use it again. Since you didn't wait the 3 seconds you will get a message saying 'you must wait to perform another action'. Razor will now timeout at the line 'use evaluating intelligence' for 30 seconds or 5 minutes. So now instead of being able to use Evaluating Intelligence once every 3 seconds, you will do it once every 30 seconds or 5 minutes. That could be why your skill gain is going so slow. The other possibility is as Yankovic and Andrew explained where your delay is too high so you lose time by waiting too long. I'm not saying 20k reps will cut the macro time in half, but it certainly will help!


If you use Injection then it will just steam roll through your macro and won't have those same kind of delays as with Razor. A really simple Injection macro to train Evaluating Intelligence would look something like this (you can find a better one here);

PHP Code:

while 1
    uo.exec("useskill 'Evaluating Intelligence'")
    uo.exec("waittargetlast")
    wait (1300)
wend 


Here's the explanation again of how this could go wrong... When you start this macro it will use the skill then wait 1.3 seconds. On the 2nd pass it will try to use the skill again but it won't be able to since you only waited 1.3 seconds and not 3, so it will wait 1.3 seconds again, on the 3rd pass you still won't be able to use the skill since you now waited only 2.6 seconds. So it will wait another 1.3 seconds (3.9 seconds total) so now isntead of using the skill 1 time every 3 seconds you will only use it 1 time ever 3.9 seconds. Not very much if you think you're only using the skill 1 time but if you do it for 2 hours (120 minutes * 60 seconds = 7200 seconds) you will be able to use the skill 1846 (7200/3.9) times but if you had the right macro with a 3 second delay you would be able to use it 2400 (7200/3) times! That's almost 800 more reps in only 2 hours and that's probably worth a few skill points!!

I hope between what Andrew and Yank explained of having too long of a delay and what I explained where you have too short of a delay helped you understand why you need to add delays to your macro and why they need to be the right amount of time.

In case you didn't see it, here is a link to another thread on the order I suggest you use to train your skills.

[imported_Reyn]

And you can edit that timeout to be 1 millisecond instead, my macro is fine its the skillgain the problem... TRUST ME

[Eighty Swords]

Out of curiosity, where in Razor do you go to change the time outs? I never saw a setting for this :eek:

[imported_Reyn]

Right click on the timeout, go to edit timeout, voila... guess ive been using it longer than you huh?

[imported_Reyn]

And i love how "certain people" talk about "imatureness" and "matureness" when they arent even real fkn words. :o oops is that egg on your face or just sperm?

[imported_Hate]

And i love how "certain people" talk about "imatureness" and "matureness" when they arent even real fkn words. :o oops is that egg on your face or just sperm?

What does that have to do with the situation at all? The fact is that the other players were trying to help you and you were slapping them in their face over and over again with insults, yet they kept trying to explain to you what they ment, rather than accepting your invitation to a flame-war. I am kind of used to Smoke behaving this way at times, but he is 16 years old, you're way older, most people I know stopped using "penis-size-insults" in kindengarden. You don't have to behave your age if you don't want to, I just had higher hopes for you. Either way don't try to provoke flamewars because that is not allowed here at the IN-X forums. You actually just now tried to provoke a flamewar with me as well with the "is it egg on your face or just sperm" comment, just after I told you that you are not allowed to do that. Just because we want you to play here does not mean that we allow you to act like a 7 year old throwing dirt at everybody when they try to help you. You can be imature in-game if you want enemies, but at least behave your age at the forums, it pisses me off to see how you act that way towards other people who just try to help you get started.

- Hate

Consider this your first and final warning, no more flamewar-provokations.

[imported_Reyn]

Try to help me? By telling me Im doing something wrong when we all know im not? Then persisting to tell me im wrong and theyre right HAH Thx for the fkn help.

[imported_Hate]

Try to help me? By telling me Im doing something wrong when we all know im not? Then persisting to tell me im wrong and theyre right HAH Thx for the fkn help.

Re-read the thread, they were trying to help you figure out how to set the macro so that you would GM it in as fast time as they GMed it. They even calculated on it to figure out why it took so long for you. Heck even if they would have been wrong they were still TRYING to figure out why it was so slow for you, and help you speed it up, they did NOT deserve the attitude and insults they were getting from you, that was just unnecessary and imature, and would have provoked a flamewar with ease if it wasn't for the fact that they decided not to flame back.

- Hate

[imported_Reyn]

Re-read the thread, they were trying to help you figure out how to set the macro so that you would GM it in as fast time as they GMed it. They even calculated on it to figure out why it took so long for you. Heck even if they would have been wrong they were still TRYING to figure out why it was so slow for you, and help you speed it up, they did NOT deserve the attitude and insults they were getting from you, that was just unnecessary and imature, and would have provoked a flamewar with ease if it wasn't for the fact that they decided not to flame back.

- Hate

Well it seems my comprehension skills are less than that of you, either that or my ignorance, sure they tried to help me, but they also chose to ignore the topic, SKILLGAIN SUCKS HUGE BALLS HERE AND FOR A NEW PLAYER TO GET STARTED JUST WITH PVP SKILLS IS VERY HARD. as for trade skills theyre not even worth attempting. therein lies the problem