[imported_couponfork]

I wasn't speaking of just you contradicting yourself; I was speaking of the other folks trying to fight with me about what I am saying, and are trying to tell me, I am wrong on what I am getting from it all, when I have proof of exactly what you wanted through this post. Isolation of RPers is just like having Trammel; sure RPers can PK in their RPing form, but if PKs that do not RP want to kill you, they can't because of a certain 'tag' you have gained, just so you can be free of harassment while RPing? There should be no benefits of either PVP or RP, everyone needs to be allowed in the exact same places, everyone needs to get along, or start enforcing rules against harassment.

I have edited the previous post and put everything contradicting; and my entire point and reason for saying NO in [COLOR="Red"]red.[/COLOR]

[imported_Brandon]

I wasn't speaking of just you contradicting yourself; I was speaking of the other folks trying to fight with me about what I am saying, and are trying to tell me, I am wrong on what I am getting from it all, when I have proof of exactly what you wanted through this post. Isolation of RPers is just like having Trammel; sure RPers can PK in their RPing form, but if PKs that do not RP want to kill you, they can't because of a certain 'tag' you have gained, just so you can be free of harassment while RPing? There should be no benefits of either PVP or RP, everyone needs to be allowed in the exact same places, everyone needs to get along, or start enforcing rules against harassment.

I have edited the previous post and put everything contradicting; and my entire point and reason for saying NO in [COLOR="Red"]red.[/COLOR]

What's this certain tag they will have gained? PKs can still PK the roleplayers if they want. Belonging to the city doesn't make them immune. You seem to be under the impression that roleplayers will remain locked away in the city at all times. Besides, the PKs have the same chance of killing the roleplayers now as they would if there was a roleplay city. Unless of course there is a war between guilds then the factors change slightly. The whole point, IN MY HEAD, of the roleplay city was to create a city so the roleplayers could get away from the immature asshats.

It wasn't necessary to edit you post because the point you were trying to make was pretty clear.

I would still like to know how I was contradicting myself.

If a roleplay city doesn't happen then I suggest stricter rules that deter players from harassing roleplayers.

[imported_Smurtle]

"Brandon: The whole point of a roleplay city would be so that the non-roleplayers would be kept out. If they want to enter the city then they'll have to become roleplayers."

[imported_Duke]

If you look at it from another point of view.

Some people play UO for PVP. Hence you complain mage is too slow which prevents you from pvping.

Some people play UO for RP, which is totally destroyed by immature little kids. Hence a place/ town for them to enjoy it.

I think it wouldnt be a bad idea you could have a place which is called RP town that anybody can enter but you must limit yourself to not being a total ****** and if you are you can be banned from the town.

Hell I'm a pvper and I wouldnt care if they had a town where you cant shit talk to them, it cant be that hard to hold your tongue at places.

[maka]

If a roleplay city doesn't happen then I suggest stricter rules that deter players from harassing roleplayers.

We can't enforce stricter rules if we do not get reports, and to some extend, proof. Sadly, staff members do not have the time to follow people around if we do not suspect bad behavior, we need help from you guys with that part.

Something that could be discussed is to give staff member speech log access, so that they have an easier time finding out what really was said at what point.

I personally think that the best option is to fight the spam, at least long term. I can understand that it's not that nice right now, being a RPer, with people around you ruining your in character experience. I just think that it would be better for the future of the server to actually integrate ourselves than to segregate.

[imported_couponfork]

Once again a contradiction; you don't even know what your other posts say?

I do not think there should be a separate town with special rules just for RPers, I mean technically RPers can go to Occlo, correct?

[Jake Blackstone]

I always liked player made/ran towns. Get a bunch of people to start throwing houses in a large but specific are, turn them into shops and bars or something along those lines, allow pvp here but have the region set to block spamming and certain words. Make it record the offenses and the 3rd time would = 30 minutes of jail time and everytime after that the sentence doubles.
I like the idea of rpers having their own town that exists and all but I really think it should be on us to take it over or create one. Once we dominate certain areas maybe we can seek a little staff assistance to make it more rp friendly but I dont want the staff to give us an area to be happy at.

Now getting back on topic. If someone was willing to plan this player run town I would be willing to help.

[imported_Cole]

I just think that it would be better for the future of the server to actually integrate ourselves than to segregate.

Report if something happens to you guys. Record a packet video through razor of the event. If nothing else, just page.

Players creating their own communities in the form of player-run towns or just large guild compounds have always been effective, and they don't require much if any gm assistance. Surround yourself with your friends that rp, and everything else will seem pretty insignificant.

[imported_Horacio]

Report if something happens to you guys. Record a packet video through razor of the event. If nothing else, just page.

Players creating their own communities in the form of player-run towns or just large guild compounds have always been effective, and they don't require much if any gm assistance. Surround yourself with your friends that rp, and everything else will seem pretty insignificant.

Most logical thing said in this post. We are simply talking a player run town here, not two split shards! We are players, and if a certain group wants to RP, then we should do so, If we dont want people coming in and ruining the experience, then police it. Make a KoS policy to all players ruining the experience or talking shit. They wont talk shit for long if its a heavy populated city.

Now enough with this BS on whos contradicting who and lets get back on topic. If you don't want to be part of this particular community (couponfork), then dont be part of this topic.

Thank you

[imported_couponfork]

Are you f---ing stupid? This entire argument is because half of you are saying "we don't want to be seperated" while the rest are saying that you want scripts implemented so that ONLY RPers can come in this town. Get your shit straight god damn, we are saying NO to seperating, not to you guys forming a little 'town'.

Once again you morons fail to read the entire post; either that or your too dumb to comprehend it?

In plain and simple:
I vote NO to making it to where players are separated [everyone should be able to come in contact with one another].

[imported_Smurtle]

If you don't want to be part of this particular community (couponfork), then dont be part of this topic.

Thank you

See, that's the wrong attitude to have. How about if you don't like getting made fun of or verbally attacked in normal, populated areas for RPing you ignore them and go on with your business (or report them) and jumping at the chance to isolate yourself from them, or make it difficult for them to be around you.

I know you didn't say or want that personally, but others have and the attitude you displayed in your comment left me to respond. You can't exclude his comments because some are actually valid. He doesn't want any players taken away or isolated from his gaming experience.

This "if you don't like it, you can go home" attitude really pisses me off. We're supposed to be a unified shard and people are aching at a chance to isolate themselves. Now, now. A RP based area only.

We all know what that will eventually lead to. Everyone who RPs feels more comfortable there, therefore you stay there aside from hunting. This is basically what killed old OSI.

[imported_Horacio]

You know what, you guys are right. By acting like that, Im becoming one of those people who I am personally against. Sorry CouponFork, your opinions are as valid as anyone elses here. I agree that this area should not exclude anyone, or have it as some kind of "Haven for RPers". We'll all just have to learn to get along. I still think a player-made city which is RP oriented is still a great idea.

If the citizens of this town dont want people disrupting their playing, police them and kill them. Simple as that.