[Dracolith]

I think its so absurd that leather is much easier to get and yet has the same ar absurd.

[Lamby]

Wouldn't this change make leather armor the exclusive armor type for PvM? Why would you ever wear plate armor if leather gives you equal AR + mana bonus? This would make plate armor for pvp only.

I guess that is ok, but I don't think that is your intention. If a bonus is given to leather, something needs to be taken away. I think it makes more sense to reduce the AR on leather or as Eru mentioned, have med be based on the AR you have equipped. What you are describing is pretty much the same as setting up an equip macro for armor. You have full AR and meditate faster. The results are identical for PvM.

Ramza what are you talking about? Leather already has much lower AR than plate. That's the whole point! Because leather armor doesn't supply the defense of plate, it would be nice if it served another purpose; like increasing med.

[Azzo]

I wouldn't call it much lower, you're (Lamby) selling exceptional barbed leather at the moment 50AR for 20k (which is fine, don't get me wrong), that's better than blackrock and almost as good as oceanic.

[Taran]

After restart today there will be some changes to armor. Plate and leather AR, exceptional bonus etc. Check the changelog in about 7 hours

[Ramza]

Reducing the ar on leather isnt fair! Have you seen the goblin guild? wearing leather only is part of their rp!

Also increasing the medit on leather would allow it to be more popular.. i always use leather, barbed to be more especific and i always hunt with it since it owns! also i never medit while hunting... i would if i were starting for example.. but once you have the money to buy / make mana pots you dont wanna know about meditating anymore...

So leather armor should be superior to plate in every way? As has been mentioned in this thread, leather armor with 50 AR is only 20k on some vendors. That's extremely cheap compared to plate armor with that level of AR.

There are clearly ways to give everyone what they want. Make specific types of leather better for AR or provide less AR but meditation bonus. At the same time, if my guild RPs naked, should I get the full benefit or armor while being naked? That's a tongue in cheek example, but even so, you get the point. We will see what the armor changes are tonight as Taran mentioned.

[Raziel_]

I wouldn't call it much lower, you're (Lamby) selling exceptional barbed leather at the moment 50AR for 20k (which is fine, don't get me wrong), that's better than blackrock and almost as good as oceanic.

They are, if those arent made exceptional! You are comparing an exceptional set with a regular.. i would never use those armors regular... if you craft an exceptional mytheril set it gives you more ar than an exceptional barbed set... and i have around 4k mytheril ingots from gmzing mining! Those barbeds you have to hunt dragons to get them!

So leather armor should be superior to plate in every way? As has been mentioned in this thread, leather armor with 50 AR is only 20k on some vendors. That's extremely cheap compared to plate armor with that level of AR.

There are clearly ways to give everyone what they want. Make specific types of leather better for AR or provide less AR but meditation bonus. At the same time, if my guild RPs naked, should I get the full benefit or armor while being naked? That's a tongue in cheek example, but even so, you get the point. We will see what the armor changes are tonight as Taran mentioned.

That's ok to have a different leather armor for more medit... but about the rp the goblins are chaos.. they run around with leather which is weaker than mytheril! thats already an extremely high disadvantage! Allright they chose to be that way, but when they chose so the AR on leather was the way it is! and the proposition here is to increase medit on leather which doesnt affect pvp... and as i said before, once you have the money to make / buy mana pots you stop using medit.. at least i have stopped.

[Lamby]

I wouldn't call it much lower, you're (Lamby) selling exceptional barbed leather at the moment 50AR for 20k (which is fine, don't get me wrong), that's better than blackrock and almost as good as oceanic.

I don't see any problem with that Azzo as that is pretty much the BEST leather has to offer... and it still doesnt even reach the AR of high-end plate (which it shouldnt).
Its two points below unexceptional oceanic and if your talking exceptional (which you are) then talk exceptional plate too. The comparison would be fire plate. So really the best exceptional leather has a 50AR which is the same as exceptional fire plate that has 50AR.
And btw thats Exceptional Barbed leather 50AR for 20k ON SALE at the Bandits vendor next to Brit Butcher!! This sale wont last forever!!!! (selling all exceptional plates as well!)

[Habibi Jones]

They are, if those arent made exceptional! You are comparing an exceptional set with a regular.. i would never use those armors regular... if you craft an exceptional mytheril set it gives you more ar than an exceptional barbed set... and i have around 4k mytheril ingots from gmzing mining! Those barbeds you have to hunt dragons to get them!



That's ok to have a different leather armor for more medit... but about the rp the goblins are chaos.. they run around with leather which is weaker than mytheril! thats already an extremely high disadvantage! Allright they chose to be that way, but when they chose so the AR on leather was the way it is! and the proposition here is to increase medit on leather which doesnt affect pvp... and as i said before, once you have the money to make / buy mana pots you stop using medit.. at least i have stopped.

Raz, I've also stopped using med. It would be nice to see something that increases meditation.

[soMa]

Id like to see leather ar have a higher med rate or stealth rate.
All you have to do is make it harder to get material for the higher end leather as it is for ingots. I don't remember leather armor having 50ar with out a shield.
To me a shield counts as plate therefore negating the bonus which seems like a tough thing to script. Maybe only add bonuses to the high end leather ?

I prefer the look of leather.
Guess its time to go check out the change log

(Only thing I saw in change log is)
Lowered armor for barbed, spines and horned leather
Exceptional crafted armor now give 4 extra AR instead of 8 (leather still gives 4 like before). Increased the armor values accordingly.

[Lamby]

"Lowered armor for barbed, spines and horned leather
Exceptional crafted armor now give 4 extra AR instead of 8 (leather still gives 4 like before). Increased the armor values accordingly."

So the AR of the only useful leather has been nerfed... effectively making it useless.

[Raziel_]

Good work ;D now leather is useless! ill use my eceptional ice plate which gives the same ar as exceptional barbed leather and much cheaper \o

[Ramza]

Now you have a better case for buffing leather armor in some way .