06-01-2009, 08:20 AM
All I'm saying is on INR we had 15+ pvpers on at any given time and our pvp wasn't very good and during peak times we hit around 30-40 pvpers... there was always action. If we could attract that many pvpers (with all the issues, a flawed pvp, and crazy lag for some of our players) on a shard that wasn't put up for pvp, why wouldn't this shard have more pvpers on? Oh and before I hear SKILLGAIN one more time, INR had a skillgain at least twice as difficult as the gains here.
If this pvp was the best it would attract tons of players regardless of any other random issues that people might imagine. I'm not saying its not a well designed pvp, what I am saying is that it seems to target a very select group. Macroing for "the best" pvp is a small price to pay honestly and if people aren't willing to do that then obviously it isn't to their liking.
I spent countless hours talking with new players as they started and after they left and old players before they left and I can honestly say that a large majority of them had complaints about 1 of 3 things: spam, pvp, other players. Spam was cut back and we are a bit more strict about harassment so that that only leaves one thing in my eyes. I even have a list of contacts that I have set up for people who wish to be contacted if the pvp ever changes. Granted most of them are from IN but the list contains more people then our average playerbase :/
I'm not trying to go about saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong. I am just saying with the things and statements I have witnessed, maybe a new option might be a better course of action for building a playerbase instead of trying the same tricks to a greater degree.
Honestly if we changed skillgain (again) we might see; a peak in players during x hours of the day, the playerbase pick up, no change or see less players. Given the fact that it has already been changed and we haven't seen an increase leads me to believe it won't make any difference though.
If the pvp had some minor altercations made to it we might see the same things as I mentioned (less, more, or the same pb) but we haven't tried this yet so we have no idea.
If this pvp was the best it would attract tons of players regardless of any other random issues that people might imagine. I'm not saying its not a well designed pvp, what I am saying is that it seems to target a very select group. Macroing for "the best" pvp is a small price to pay honestly and if people aren't willing to do that then obviously it isn't to their liking.
I spent countless hours talking with new players as they started and after they left and old players before they left and I can honestly say that a large majority of them had complaints about 1 of 3 things: spam, pvp, other players. Spam was cut back and we are a bit more strict about harassment so that that only leaves one thing in my eyes. I even have a list of contacts that I have set up for people who wish to be contacted if the pvp ever changes. Granted most of them are from IN but the list contains more people then our average playerbase :/
I'm not trying to go about saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong. I am just saying with the things and statements I have witnessed, maybe a new option might be a better course of action for building a playerbase instead of trying the same tricks to a greater degree.
Honestly if we changed skillgain (again) we might see; a peak in players during x hours of the day, the playerbase pick up, no change or see less players. Given the fact that it has already been changed and we haven't seen an increase leads me to believe it won't make any difference though.
If the pvp had some minor altercations made to it we might see the same things as I mentioned (less, more, or the same pb) but we haven't tried this yet so we have no idea.