[imported_Hate]

The XUOers want a carebear free server with quick skills and die-hard PvP, whereas INers want a more "work to earn it" type of skill gain in conjunction with noble and meaningful (in a sense) PvP. Being the majority of the PvPing community, XUOers appear to want their voices to mean more than IN's because it is more up their alley. This is a sort of selfish way of thinking in that XUO aren't the only ones who PvPed out of the two shards, so in order to combine the two styles...some changes have had to of been made. Likewise, PvPers on IN's behalf feel the same way in that they've had to compromise their habitual ways of fighting.

Let me ask you, what was different at the IN pvp except for that it does not have the .wop spam?

What I think is the big difference between the shard is that the XUO players have played this PvP for way longer than the IN players have, so they know the PvP very well. They know how to use the spam properly and there for the IN players usually dies real fast and then they think that this PvP is "not balanced and a crap PvP". But seriously, it's all just about learning the PvP, it is real balanced and once you learn it is real fun, and it can be noble.

I don't think it would change who wins or dies in tourneys no matter if we would remove spam or not. What it would do is slow down duels a lot, and cause it to be a lot more about "ok now he flamestrikes so I heal!", instead of "Ok now I better heal cause I am at 65 hp and IF he is flamestriking I will be in deep shit after it hits." Having to THINK while pvping instead of just hitting the proper button to counter an attack is way more fun in my eyes.

I actually think that the XUO pvp is "noble" as well, it is just that most XUO players may not be that noble. They may say stuff like "U SUX DIE!" or "HAHA! NOOB!" when you're dead, but seriously, the duels can still be noble, it's just the "after u die" part that may not be. But we're not all like those people that may fit that description, and even they are only like that towards people they do not respect, so if u would work hard at the PvP and kick their ass sometimes they would be a lot nicer to you, perhaps even suck up to you.

Lets not forget that it has been decided long before this shard merged together that this shard would get the XUO PvP and the IN roleplaying. If we would not have got to keep the XUO PvP (which is a real big part of the XUO legacy) we would not have agree'd to merge, because then it would just have been like turning our players over to IN, because almost everything else is INs stuff at the shard. Think about it, what else is not like it was at IN? Except for that you've got a bunch of new players to the shard, a lot of new good scripts, an autosupply-tourney, perhaps a few new armors and a bunch of new staffmembers. Please fill me in on all the other things that the XUO community has added to IN-X, because seriously, if you would be removing the XUO PvP I do not see much of XUO still around, except for the "X" in the name of the shard. Both shards had to compromise during the merge, both shards sacrificed some of what we had before, your sacrifice was the PvP, please stop trying to change it and instead get used to it, because without it the XUO players would not feel at home at all, and then it would not be a merge, it would be the XUO community being transfered to an Imagine Nation-shard.

I'm sure you can get used to the PvP if you just practice a lot. Try to get to know some XUO players as well, because the best way to learn the PvP is to learn it from somebody who already knows it.

Breaking that wall that you spoke about is real important tho, I support you in that, we need to get the XUO and IN players to stop hating each other some way, but changing the PvP is really not the way to do it, that will probably stop the hate, but only because of one reason - because most of the XUO players would be leaving the shard - and that's not what we want.

Since I am the PvP coordinator I decided to focus mainly on the PvP part in your thread. I may answer the other parts as well later on, but for now lets finish this "trying to change the PvP-discussion" once and for all, because it has been going on for way too long in way too many threads. I know that your intentional idea of this thread wasn't to bring up another "change the pvp discussion", but instead to get the players to stop hating each other one way or another. We will continue to try and find a way for that to happen, but it can't be by changing the PvP though..

Ok that would be all for now. Feel free to discuss other ways to make players like each other better tho, I don't mind that at all, we all want that to happen after all. :]

Regards,
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