11-28-2007, 11:10 PM
Here is my opinion about the PvP:
The thing I don't like about the PvP, is that it is very... hmm... strait forward. You get [these] pots, and [these] scrolls, and you are set. Hell, there is even a PvP guide that tells you the same thing, that there is really only one way to fight on this server. Not that it is easy to get there, but that everyone must train toward the same goal.
I think you guys underestimate the difficulty of PvP on IN. On IN, it was actually quite easy to begin PvPing (although here, like we have been saying, you grab a bag of pots and scrolls and you can start going). It was pretty obvious that when you were hurt, you wanted to heal yourself. It was pretty obvious that when someone was low on health, you wanted to try to finish them with a spell. No different from here.
However, it goes ALOT deeper than that. Here, you KNOW they have GH pots. You KNOW they have mana pots. You KNOW they have FS scrolls.
On IN, you had no idea what they had. Yeah, once you got used to certain players, you got used to the kinds of things they had, but it was always different.
1) Lets say you are dueling someone, and you are both at 80 HP. You both crit eachother down to 40 HP, and you go for the FS. He heals through the first one, but knows he is going to die in the second one. Right before your FS hits, you he drinks an invis pot, and you see "Kal Vas Flam" in the corner of your screen. You don't notice it until its too late to cast. You're dead because you've already drank a mana pot in trying to finish him.
2) Lets say you are meleeing, and he gets you down to 60 HP. You walk away to bandage heal, and he starts to FS. You don't think much of it as you start to heal, but then the FS hits way too fast. Then you realize that whoever you were fighting was actually ballsy enough to carry two FS scrolls with him!! He gets you down to about 15 HP. Your pot takes you to 45 HP, but just before your heal spell hits, his second scroll lands, and you're dead.
Here, that doesn't happen, because you KNOW they have FS scrolls, so you are always ready for that dump.
3) You are meleeing again, and he gets you down to 60 HP. You walk away to bandage heal, and then he pulls out a Heavy Xbow of Vanquishing, probably one of the most desirable weapons in the game. You are completely suprised, since most people don't use them because of their value, and you expected much less. The first hit takes you down to 30. You are healing pretty hard, and after you get back up to 50, the second hit takes you down to 15. You drink a heal pot, and cast regular Heal. You get back up to 50 again, but you are panicking. He hits you again down to 20, and FSes. You're dead.
4) Lets say something else like this happens. What you don't know is he is carrying magic arrow scrolls. You try to recall away, and just as you think he is too late you catch you, he MA scrolls you, and you are still stuck there. He re-flamestrikes you, and since you were not prepared to heal you die. Who woulda thought he had MA scrolls, AND a macro to use them?
Some of these things could be applied here, but I am just saying that you had to be just as high on your toes with that system as this system. Especially since alot more different things had value both materially AND in battle (especially scrolls, since, IIRC, the only way to get them was from monsters), you never knew what things they would be willing to risk or waste in order to kill you.
Here, like I said, there is a short list of useful things in the PvP system, which I feel will grow old to everyone except the die-hard PvPers. Hopefully that list will grow some, but we still rely on the staff allowing it to happen.
The thing I don't like about the PvP, is that it is very... hmm... strait forward. You get [these] pots, and [these] scrolls, and you are set. Hell, there is even a PvP guide that tells you the same thing, that there is really only one way to fight on this server. Not that it is easy to get there, but that everyone must train toward the same goal.
I think you guys underestimate the difficulty of PvP on IN. On IN, it was actually quite easy to begin PvPing (although here, like we have been saying, you grab a bag of pots and scrolls and you can start going). It was pretty obvious that when you were hurt, you wanted to heal yourself. It was pretty obvious that when someone was low on health, you wanted to try to finish them with a spell. No different from here.
However, it goes ALOT deeper than that. Here, you KNOW they have GH pots. You KNOW they have mana pots. You KNOW they have FS scrolls.
On IN, you had no idea what they had. Yeah, once you got used to certain players, you got used to the kinds of things they had, but it was always different.
1) Lets say you are dueling someone, and you are both at 80 HP. You both crit eachother down to 40 HP, and you go for the FS. He heals through the first one, but knows he is going to die in the second one. Right before your FS hits, you he drinks an invis pot, and you see "Kal Vas Flam" in the corner of your screen. You don't notice it until its too late to cast. You're dead because you've already drank a mana pot in trying to finish him.
2) Lets say you are meleeing, and he gets you down to 60 HP. You walk away to bandage heal, and he starts to FS. You don't think much of it as you start to heal, but then the FS hits way too fast. Then you realize that whoever you were fighting was actually ballsy enough to carry two FS scrolls with him!! He gets you down to about 15 HP. Your pot takes you to 45 HP, but just before your heal spell hits, his second scroll lands, and you're dead.
Here, that doesn't happen, because you KNOW they have FS scrolls, so you are always ready for that dump.
3) You are meleeing again, and he gets you down to 60 HP. You walk away to bandage heal, and then he pulls out a Heavy Xbow of Vanquishing, probably one of the most desirable weapons in the game. You are completely suprised, since most people don't use them because of their value, and you expected much less. The first hit takes you down to 30. You are healing pretty hard, and after you get back up to 50, the second hit takes you down to 15. You drink a heal pot, and cast regular Heal. You get back up to 50 again, but you are panicking. He hits you again down to 20, and FSes. You're dead.
4) Lets say something else like this happens. What you don't know is he is carrying magic arrow scrolls. You try to recall away, and just as you think he is too late you catch you, he MA scrolls you, and you are still stuck there. He re-flamestrikes you, and since you were not prepared to heal you die. Who woulda thought he had MA scrolls, AND a macro to use them?
Some of these things could be applied here, but I am just saying that you had to be just as high on your toes with that system as this system. Especially since alot more different things had value both materially AND in battle (especially scrolls, since, IIRC, the only way to get them was from monsters), you never knew what things they would be willing to risk or waste in order to kill you.
Here, like I said, there is a short list of useful things in the PvP system, which I feel will grow old to everyone except the die-hard PvPers. Hopefully that list will grow some, but we still rely on the staff allowing it to happen.