Epistemology, I have no idea who you are since you feel the need to hide behind a new name so I don't know what makes you so aggressive towards me. You, like every other player here has the right to make any suggestion you want, but you're being a little absurd thinking everybody will agree with it. If you want to make suggestions, whoever you are, be prepared to discuss them with pro's and con's rather then cussing and calling people names.
You suggest to remove all supply stones, including those from the duel area.
Con: PvPers won't like this because they all recognize how much it sucks to lose a duel because you run out of regs. How often do you see people don't brag about killing someone who ran out of regs? It's as if it's a code of honor acknowledging you won for a shitty reason, same as when you win because someone crashed. Hence why there are stones you can buy regs from from within a duel area, at an increased price for the convenience of not having to go to a NPC or player run vendor to buy regs.
Con: If you finish a few duels, realize you're out of regs, you have the inconvenience of going to a player run vendor or NPC to buy regs or supplies. While you go for those regs, you run the risk of someone killing you while you're wearing your duel gear and carrying a bunch of supplies. Yes, that's part of the game but it's no fun getting caught like that because there's no supply stones around that some people are used to having for so long.
Con: Lets say there were no supply stones and you had to go to a player run vendor or NPC to buy regs. Now you get there, find out there out of regs because someone is purchasing them all, so you go to a player run vendor, search 50 vendors, finally find one selling regs, but there aren't enough because everyone else is buying them too. 20 minutes after you recall around a bunch of towns collecting some regs the duel area gets closed or you have to go. My exact idea of having fun!
Pro: More player involvement. I like this fact but it needs to be in the right context which I don't feel it is here. You are going to inconvenience a lot of players to put the goals of a few ahead.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Doesn't look like a very convincing suggestion to me so far.
You then suggest a fix to taking away duel stones is to add a safe vendor zone. Again, I have no idea who you are so I have no idea of knowing how long you've been here. So humor me while I explain something... About 3 months ago we had a vendor area directly in the pits. Great idea, right? Vendors are RIGHT smack there, you don't have to go searching for them. How convenient! (Wait, that reminds me of the convenience of having supply stones!!!) What quite a few people didn't like about this vendor area right in pits is how some players used their VENDOR as personal bankers. They'd put a vanq bard in there for 50000k (not 50k gp, 50000k). They'd also put an armor set, supplies and all their tour gear there. Why you ask? So they wouldn't have to risk going to town to grab their good gear for a duel. Hence why player vendors were moved to an unguarded area. Now you're asking what that lovely story was all about. Well, adding a safe vendor area would give us the same issue. Hence why I am also against this suggested fix to getting rid of stones.
Ironic how convenience is beneficial or not pending certain circumstances.
Rabbi Samild Wrote:I think turning it over to players to support reg bags is a good idea. You could buy different amounts (25, 50, 100, etc per bag) and even support new players who want to make some cash selling regs. I don't think that it "messes with XUO-style PVP" to remove the stones. I hate things that are automated that relay on machines (which didn't exist 'back then') that don't allow money to go to players/npcs. I'd rather see the convenience charge get put back in the hands of players.
If I'm not mistaken that's how the regstone is now. You have a choice of 3 reg bags you can buy from, depending on your needs. Now I don't buy regs from the regstone because I'm kinda jewish and rather spend 2 more seconds buying them from an NPC then buying them from the stone for a few extra gp so I could be mistaken about this. I don't think anyone will say it messes with XUO style pvp, but it does kill your grove (see one of the cons I wrote up above).
For those who think it's impossible to run out of regs in a duel, maybe you'd like to know 500 of each of the 8 main regs weighs 400 stones. Good luck carrying some scrolls, pots, armor, and a weapon with you while you duel with 400 stones of weight in regs alone...
I challenge someone to tell me how much they weigh when they suit up with armor, 1-2 weapons, and a reasonable amount of regs, scrolls, pots, and aids. How much do you weigh? Did you remember a rune to your house/bank, your spellbook, key ring, a bag to hold your supplies, 1-2 pieces of clothing to look cool? Chances are you're going to be pretty weighed down. Now consider that you might end up dueling someone for 30 minutes. It's not that absurd of an amount of time. Oh darn, all that hard work of dueling the last 30 minutes is going down the drain because I have no more ginseng to heal with.
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