[Overlord Dudaz]

This quote above says a lot about how much you know about our PvP at this point. Type ".watchtour" next time the 1vs1 autosupply tourney-broadcast shows up, and watch people duel, see if they use weapons or not.

Overlord Dudaz from the fizzle shard said this in the post above: "you can't just spam magic arrow at our fizzle shard, because you would run out of mana", but in other words, well that same thing happens here if you only use magic. Flamestrike costs way more mana than the greater heal spell, so if you just keep spamming flamestrikes you will run out of mana and wouldn't have accomplished anything really, except for loosing all your mana and dieing a few secs later from a hard hit and a flamestrike when you don't even have the mana to heal anymore.


- Adam

Thats the problem, because there is no fizzle, you automatically go to the highest damaging and highest healing spell. There is no need for smaller spells to weave in between the other persons casting.

[Lags]

HERP DERPEN HERP, WTF IZ LOS?!?! LINE OF SIGHT??? WTF IS THAT SHIIT

You probably suck, and everyone here knows what LOS is. There are maaany ways of fighting 1v2, and fighting 1v3+ shouldn't be easily possible anyway



Exactly, it's easy to run and survive if the person/people chasing don't know what they're doing. This is counter to what you've said first



This :/

I am taking an objective look. I have no problem adjusting my PvP style for a new shard but I don't think you guys realize how flawed this current PvP is. I see how hard it is to kill someone 1v1 unless you are boxed in a tiny room with them and can melee.

The most important things are melee should fizzle spells and you should at least be able to fizzle heal and recall with damage causing spells ... or do you like needing partners to kill people at BB instead of being able to do it yourself?

[Lags]

Exactly, it's easy to run and survive if the person/people chasing don't know what they're doing. This is counter to what you've said first


This :/

So you are saying someone that knows what they are doing can kill someone 1v1 that is simply running, healing, and reflecting away from you? I have seen literally zero 1v1 kills. People don't even 1v1 here since it's so easy to stay healed up and get away.

You guys need to quit getting all pissy about this it's not like anything is going to change. I'm not here trying to start a fight. A lot of you arguing against fizzle have probably never played a fizzle shard so you don't quite understand how it works. The guys saying you just "spam magic arrows" to win and the guy that said it is all item based obviously have no idea what they are talking about

[hilbertsawhat]

I think that it requires a lot of experience to understand PvP, even so called simple PvP. The experience I'm talking about something like top 10 with 150+ players online, on multiple play stiles. Nowadays there isn't a lot of people with that experience, hell, nowadays there isn't even many shards with that player count.

I think you are right though, PvP will stay somewhat the same as the server is supposed to cater to TUS-Sphere .51 people. I believe that shards like Santiago was Sphere .56, which had widely different game rules.

[Gang]

if u will focus on running right away, and you know how to heal well, then yea, you will most likely survive the 1v1. However if you want to get the kill and started the fight, then I'm not so sure. As I said, the PvP has flaws, and can be adjusted just by modifying the mana intakes+damage deals. I'd also vote to add spam\remove power words , but that will never happen and I understand it.

Makas XUO PvP is where this 0.51a server PvP(this kind) was very balanced. It could be better as XUO's pvp didn't offer too much variaty, but hell it was balanced...
I'm sure Taran has the balance tweaks in mind, I also think that he would try to avoid switching on the playstyle you speaking off.

[Lags]

if u will focus on running right away, and you know how to heal well, then yea, you will most likely survive the 1v1. However if you want to get the kill and started the fight, then I'm not so sure. As I said, the PvP has flaws, and can be adjusted just by modifying the mana intakes+damage deals. I'd also vote to add spam\remove power words , but that will never happen and I understand it.

Makas XUO PvP is where this 0.51a server PvP(this kind) was very balanced. It could be better as XUO's pvp didn't offer too much variaty, but hell it was balanced...
I'm sure Taran has the balance tweaks in mind, I also think that he would try to avoid switching on the playstyle you speaking off.

I just think open world 1v1 duels are a lot more fun than gank fests, but it doesn't seem any open world 1v1 duels happen here because of the way PvP is set up.

One of the main problems is healing cannot be stopped. So basically you can run around in the trees or other LOS and heal yourself while you opponent is trying to cast on you and fizzling/losing mana due to LOS. This makes people ridiculously hard to kill unless your ganking.




I have come to terms with no fizzles, even though it does nothing but make a duel that should take 2 minutes take 10. Maybe if mana potions filled twice as much mana as they currently do and fizzled spells did not eat your mana then you might actually be able to kill someone by yourself.

[Catalyst]

Unfortunately it's like talking to a brick wall, would like to see how this PvP changes if different style LoS duel pits were introduced though. May not be such a spam fest.. or I could be wrong.

[Maximus]

Every once in a while I see a post trying to let me know the fun in this style of pvp, But Most of these post Im seeing are very on the offensive and attacking in a nervous manner. Everything you guys are saying we wont do, We can say the same for you.. Let me tell you someting [SIZE="6"]This isnt your server more than mine![/SIZE] You may have played the older INs so you may feel that way, But in the case, I played UO longer so UO IS MINE!.. no thats just stupid. Lags heres a problem with brit bridge and why it is ganking.. Because theres no LoS there.. Thats why im thinking about going to serps hold to pvp and use the buildings for los... That could be the biggest problem to people trying to pvp.. They havent noticed there is no LoS except a few trees.

Quick Question! If the PvP changed would you quit? If you say yes, Im gonna laugh and call you a hypocrit! (Not directed at you Lags)

[Lags]

Every once in a while I see a post trying to let me know the fun in this style of pvp, But Most of these post Im seeing are very on the offensive and attacking in a nervous manner. Everything you guys are saying we wont do, We can say the same for you.. Let me tell you someting [SIZE="6"]This isnt your server more than mine![/SIZE] You may have played the older INs so you may feel that way, But in the case, I played UO longer so UO IS MINE!.. no thats just stupid. Lags heres a problem with brit bridge and why it is ganking.. Because theres no LoS there.. Thats why im thinking about going to serps hold to pvp and use the buildings for los... That could be the biggest problem to people trying to pvp.. They havent noticed there is no LoS except a few trees.

Quick Question! If the PvP changed would you quit? If you say yes, Im gonna laugh and call you a hypocrit! (Not directed at you Lags)

Yep the state of LOS is terrible. Ninos (the big brown building at BB) and the place where the casino is should both be empty buildings to provide a place to PvP with some line of sight. The only current line of sight at BB is trees and running circles around buildings. If you are going to have a shard with no fizzles,having extra line of sight is EXTREMELY important.

[Maximus]

And that is a perfect post.. Now let me see you guys beat around the bush some more



Oh and btw Atlas, Telling Lags he must sucks at fizzle pvp proves you have never played fizzle pvp.. Anyone who has ever played fizzle pvp knows who he is..


Let the Bush Beating start!

[sm0ke]

Every once in a while I see a post trying to let me know the fun in this style of pvp, But Most of these post Im seeing are very on the offensive and attacking in a nervous manner. Everything you guys are saying we wont do, We can say the same for you.. Let me tell you someting [SIZE="6"]This isnt your server more than mine![/SIZE] You may have played the older INs so you may feel that way, But in the case, I played UO longer so UO IS MINE!.. no thats just stupid. Lags heres a problem with brit bridge and why it is ganking.. Because theres no LoS there.. Thats why im thinking about going to serps hold to pvp and use the buildings for los... That could be the biggest problem to people trying to pvp.. They havent noticed there is no LoS except a few trees.

Quick Question! If the PvP changed would you quit? If you say yes, Im gonna laugh and call you a hypocrit! (Not directed at you Lags)

So what you're saying is there's no buildings outside brit to use LoS? You're wrong theres tons and people use them ask anyone who ganks there normally. Your footwork is probably terrible and you can't dodge fses for crap is what is more likely that happened. Nobody said this server was OURS were saying you're stupid for wanting to change the PvP when you haven't even had enough time to adapt to it or get the chance to get the hang of it that's where the people who've been here longer get a more stable say over the new players who just want everything changed because they don't like how the PvP or things are.

To answer your question yes I would probably quit, I started playing this shard because it's the only shard that I know of that has similar or yet the closest PvP of IN-X and XUO or NOVUS and I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one too quit either. But I wouldn't cry or complain to have it changed like you're doing right now with your friends. It's not about adapting to the PvP it's about preference I like this PvP so I'll play here if you don't I mean tough luck, I highly doubt they will reconfigure the whole PvP system when it's not broken and it's pretty well balanced. In the end ultimately it's up to Taran, If we wants to change the PvP he can it's his shard and he can do as he wishes.

[Maximus]

You call me stupid but yet I know more than you do. You tell me to adjust, But yet you wouldnt.. I knew there was something I didnt like about you. Im not crying first of all, im suggesting and giving very excellent reasoning behind it, You my friend are doing the crying about everything I have to say. Go play in some traffic would ya