[Shadok]

http://www.aneki.com/expensive.html

[Nasir]

Plus, since I'm a skilled worker, most places will proportionally pay the same no matter where I am. My pay might be lower somewhere, but I would most likely be at the same % of the population income.

And, as far as I'm aware, Sweden only has like a 5% difference between the richest and poorest classes anyway.

[hilbertsawhat]

From what I've seen, .NET developer positions in Sweden are 30-60k SEK / mo before taxes. But obviously I wouldn't know as well as you

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...utvecklare
I don't know what kind of education you have but he has a good one considering his job, with 2 years experience. Sys architects also makes quite a bit more than a regular developer/programmer.

And, as far as I'm aware, Sweden only has like a 5% difference between the richest and poorest classes anyway.

I don't really know what this means. If you are trying to tell me that there is a 5% difference in income(/life quality) between the richest and the poorest "class" then I can only conclude that you are very American. People receiving social benefits generally get around 3500/month + their living paid. A small salary in Sweden could be around 6k after tax and middle class worker generally brings in something between 15-30 after. There is a chance that you were saying only 5% belongs to the richest and the poorest but I'd say you are wrong there too.

[Nasir]

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications...os/sw.html
vs
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications...os/us.html

Distribution of family income - Gini index:
USA - 45 (2007)
Sweden - 23 (2005)

That's a 49% less of a class divide

The GINI index measures the degree of inequality in the distribution of family income. In Sweden is 23.00 while in The United States it is 45.00.
This index measures the degree of inequality in the distribution of family income in a country. The index is calculated from the Lorenz curve, in which cumulative family income is plotted against the number of families arranged from the poorest to the richest. The index is the ratio of (a) the area between a country's Lorenz curve and the 45 degree helping line to (b) the entire triangular area under the 45 degree line. The more nearly equal a country's income distribution, the closer its Lorenz curve to the 45 degree line and the lower its Gini index, e.g., a Scandinavian country with an index of 25. The more unequal a country's income distribution, the farther its Lorenz curve from the 45 degree line and the higher its Gini index, e.g., a Sub-Saharan country with an index of 50. If income were distributed with perfect equality, the Lorenz curve would coincide with the 45 degree line and the index would be zero; if income were distributed with perfect inequality, the Lorenz curve would coincide with the horizontal axis and the right vertical axis and the index would be 100.

I don't mean to sound like a jerk with the data. Just don't know how else to word it . 5% was just a number that felt right from memory to make a point :p

[hilbertsawhat]

50% lower inequality index is a far far stretch from "5% difference between the richest and poorest classes anyway". That is a retarded paraphrase, if it could be even considered as one. If you want to make something up just to back it up with some random fact later, try to pick numbers closer to the one you'll quote.

You sound like a jerk with the data because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about, yet you're still making statements.

[Eru]

[Nasir]

50% lower inequality index is a far far stretch from "5% difference between the richest and poorest classes anyway". That is a retarded paraphrase, if it could be even considered as one. If you want to make something up just to back it up with some random fact later, try to pick numbers closer to the one you'll quote.

You sound like a jerk with the data because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about, yet you're still making statements.

You sound like a raging pretentious cock, because I obviously stated I wasn't sure multiple times. It wasn't a random fact, it was a number I wasn't 100% about that I had read in a book written in 2001 that might be dated. I'll double check what was written when I get home, just for you. Plus, the exact number wasn't important. The point stands that the income difference between the richest and poorest classes is MASSIVELY lower, and that fact I'm correct about.

Plus, the gini index info that I posted wasn't random... it's clearly on the same subject I was referring to. It's a very clearly defined measure.

So tell me... What is the exact income gap for Sweden, since you obviously know? And how doesn't that apply to the fact that a lower income in Sweden would still be balanced by the significantly lower income disparity even if my number was wrong?

Otherwise, would you kindly blow it out your ass and stay out of my thread if you're going to run this far off topic. The question wasn't about whether or not Sweden is a good place to be at all. I know the income rates and what my quality of life would be there and am well aware of what the tax rates are and that my take-home cash would be lower. That's awesome. Don't care. That's off topic and my income would still be significantly higher than average.

I never claimed to be an authority on Swedish economics. However, I am an authority on moving around and life. My point, from the start, is that quality of life to income balances out, just about anywhere you go. ...Especially in a welfare state like Sweden.

[Nasir]

Back on topic:

platsbanken.se ..opinion?

[Rainbow Dash]

Back on topic:

platsbanken.se ..opinion?

Thats the place im looking for jobs atm, since it doesnt matter where you live id say have a look and se whats there.
Also the danish pricks are just jealous at us swedes becouse we are better at everything the danish do.

[hilbertsawhat]

Numb nuts, you are saying "back to topic" after you tried to make it rain from my eye socket. Now that's not really logical is it. If you want to be the bigger man you'll have to be the bigger man, can't really attempt something just to say "lets stop this" in the post afterwards.

You sound like a raging pretentious cock, because I obviously stated I wasn't sure multiple times. It wasn't a random fact, it was a number I wasn't 100% about that I had read in a book written in 2001 that might be dated.

"As far as I can remember" really isn't the same as "I'm not sure". If it is, then my English is messed up. To me the first implies that you at some point knew what you are talking about and that the "numbers" might be a little off due to time. Second one implies less knowledge of the situation. Answer "Do you think programming is hard?" with "As far as I can remember" and with "I'm not sure", they are not the same. And yes, I am a raging dick, but only to a selected few and only when I enjoy the result.

Plus, the gini index info that I posted wasn't random... it's clearly on the same subject I was referring to. It's a very clearly defined measure.

I didn't say that GINI is random. What I said was that you spit out some ill formulated bullshit with no factual base. Then, when you are called on it, you ask mr google and find a reference that fits somewhat close to what you were trying to say. GINI applies to the discussion but it can in no way be interpreted as "Sweden only has like a 5% difference between the richest and poorest classes". Only way to interpret it is the previous mentioned, both by me and later yourself.

So tell me... What is the exact income gap for Sweden, since you obviously know?

The gap between the richest and poorest class is ~ 2500% before tax and ~ 700% after tax so you were a percent or two off. The "classes" are defined by taking 10% of the richest and 10% of the poorest people. We could from your numbers make the assumption that the income gap in the US is either 50 or 14 times, though I'd assume ~ 50 since you don't have our taxes to balance out.

And how doesn't that apply to the fact that a lower income in Sweden would still be balanced by the significantly lower income disparity even if my number was wrong?

This could mean a few things, don't really know what you are referring too. I'll assume that you mean that since income is more balanced here cost of living becomes better balanced/"more fair" and I agree to some extend. But me jumping on to your numbers...really? I probably wouldn't if you weren't off by a magnitude of 10. I might have tried though, kind of think you're failing pretentious idiot (no, you are not a dick, just an idiot).

stay out of my thread if you're going to run this far off topic.

I didn't know I was stealing your property, especially since you went OT before I joined the discussion.

That's off topic and my income would still be significantly higher than average.

I'm trying to tell you that it most likely (read 85-95%) wouldn't. It might be higher if you only compare to people your age and experience (as in how long you've worked), but if you are just counting average salary (ignoring field, age and experience, only counting money) you'd probably make less than average joe. If you are lucky and get a well paying job, you could land at around 120% avg. As previously stated, education, experience and age are all of quite big importance in the software industry here, I do not know how it is in the US.

I know the income rates and what my quality of life would be there and am well aware of what the tax rates are

You clearly didn't but its OK. If you focus enough and ignore everything pointing in the right direction, I'm sure you'll feel knowledgeable and good about yourself soon again.

You're becoming a boring conversation partner, and while its fun to point and laugh, theres still not enough substance coming from you to actually make me want to reply. From now on I think I'll stick with oneish liners when you are being extraordinary stupid and aggravating. Normal stupid is OK, don't worry.

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Platsbanken is pretty decent I think, they have a lot of companies posting job offers. You'll have to do most of the work yourself though, while at previous mentioned sites, they would help you because they make money on you.

[Rob]

This thread is missing discussion of blondes. That would be considered a perk of a job in Sweden I think. Or is that a myth?

[Brandon]

This thread is missing discussion of blondes. That would be considered a perk of a job in Sweden I think. Or is that a myth?

I'd like to know as well.

I'd move to Australia if most of the women looked similar to Nicky Whelan. Ayleth Payne told me 80% of the women in Australia look similar to Nicky Whelan.