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Which is bad how? Not everyone is in a guild, you can go loot all those non guilded houses as much as you want.

This whole griefer mentality that your collective group is putting out is very tiring, everyone worth their weight is in a guild, everyone has a bank at the guild. House looting is a bygone thing from a bygone era

I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way but personally I haven't said or done anything so I don't understand how you can include me or associate me into that group of friends that are so "tiring." Taran's original post said this server was not care bare so all I did was make a suggestion about limiting weight or items in guild houses or there would be no purpose to own a house if your in a guild. There's a risk you take to go into your house considering it's "out side of protection of the guards", I mean you don't even have to open doors on a guild house you can just run right in, It's just a part of the game to use detect hidden or reveal before entering your house.

[Fulmanar]

I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way but personally I haven't said or done anything so I don't understand how you can include me or associate me into that group of friends that are so "tiring." Taran's original post said this server was not care bare so all I did was make a suggestion about limiting weight or items in guild houses or there would be no purpose to own a house if your in a guild. There's a risk you take to go into your house considering it's "out side of protection of the guards", I mean you don't even have to open doors on a guild house you can just run right in, It's just a part of the game to use detect hidden or reveal before entering your house.

Ah yes, i've done wrong by including you into a group to which ascribes to the ideals that griefing people ad nauseum is cultured and necessary(it's tiring)

The point you seem to miss here is that the "game" you base your points on is completely mutable, Taran is literally the god of this shard, if he wants pvp to be done with chickens it's done with chickens, your "game" stopped existing when you left your shard. The idea here is that you don't seem to appreciate how this shard is, it's not doing it for you, you can't guild loot, you can't kill outside of houses unless it's with bugs(to which your collective group has admitted they will use multiple times) So clearly something is not right here.

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Ah yes, i've done wrong by including you into a group to which ascribes to the ideals that griefing people ad nauseum is cultured and necessary(it's tiring)

The point you seem to miss here is that the "game" you base your points on is completely mutable, Taran is literally the god of this shard, if he wants pvp to be done with chickens it's done with chickens, your "game" stopped existing when you left your shard. The idea here is that you don't seem to appreciate how this shard is, it's not doing it for you, you can't guild loot, you can't kill outside of houses unless it's with bugs(to which your collective group has admitted they will use multiple times) So clearly something is not right here.

I just said it was a suggestion ofc Taran is the shard owner and the decision is his. But it's quite obvious you didn't read what I wrote nor do you care what players think or suggest rather then protecting your own items or for your own personal gains. You say it's "tiring" because this is the part of the game that I love? Not everyone hunts or crafts we all love different aspects of the game it just has to be balanced.

That's why once again I said it was a suggestion, btw I appreciate the sarcasm.

[Fulmanar]

I just said it was a suggestion ofc Taran is the shard owner and the decision is his. But it's quite obvious you didn't read what I wrote nor do you care what players think or suggest rather then protecting your own items or for your own personal gains. You say it's "tiring" because this is the part of the game that I love? Not everyone hunts or crafts we all love different aspects of the game it just has to be balanced.

That's why once again I said it was a suggestion, btw I appreciate the sarcasm.

I have no issue with losing items or personal gain...? I don't know what I have to gain personally here but sure. Conversely your suggestion is one based on personal gain, you wish to have it so that people are unsafe in their guild houses/homes so you can essentially grief them by looting them and killing them AFK. No it is tiring because we're on a shard that is in a precarious position where we need to keep our players and this activity is going to make them leave post haste.


I have no issue with house killing/looting, I have nothing to lose. What I do have issue with is your aspect of the game that you love is destroying the aspect of the game everyone else loves which we cannot afford here, which is perplexing because what you want to do is nigh impossible here unless you use bugs which again your little troupe have admitted that they will use which is just insane.

I also don't recall being sarcastic at all?

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I have no issue with losing items or personal gain...? I don't know what I have to gain personally here but sure. Conversely your suggestion is one based on personal gain, you wish to have it so that people are unsafe in their guild houses/homes so you can essentially grief them by looting them and killing them AFK. No it is tiring because we're on a shard that is in a precarious position where we need to keep our players and this activity is going to make them leave post haste.

I don't want to remove guild houses nor guild doors or anything at all. Did you even read the suggestion I wrote and what I'm posting for? I wanted to do was change the weight or how much the house can contain so it's not used as a REAL house like a storage or a bank. That's what real houses are meant for or else what's the difference between them besides ones safe and the other isn't with nothing in it?

I have no issue with house killing/looting, I have nothing to lose. What I do have issue with is your aspect of the game that you love is destroying the aspect of the game everyone else loves which we cannot afford here, which is perplexing because what you want to do is nigh impossible here unless you use bugs which again your little troupe have admitted that they will use which is just insane.

I don't how know I'm destroying everyone's gaming experience and what they love by pvping and doing stuff in the world. It's real easy to stop your self from getting house looted as it is. It's quite funny though because you continue to prove my point even further by saying there's no issue with house looting or killing in a regular home because you have nothing to lose. Why is that? Because everything is either in your bank or Guild house? So I'll ask again what's the point in having a regular house if you keep nothing in it and guild houses are protected with no weight or item limitation on them?

I also don't recall being sarcastic at all?

Ah yes, i've done wrong by including you into a group to which ascribes to the ideals that griefing people ad nauseum is cultured and necessary(it's tiring)

I was basing it on this I didn't like the way pretty much called me retarded for having a different opinion.

[Fulmanar]

I don't want to remove guild houses nor guild doors or anything at all. Did you even read the suggestion I wrote and what I'm posting for? I wanted to do was change the weight or how much the house can contain so it's not used as a REAL house like a storage or a bank. That's what real houses are meant for or else what's the difference between them besides ones safe and the other isn't with nothing in it?



I don't how know I'm destroying everyone's gaming experience and what they love by pvping and doing stuff in the world. It's real easy to stop your self from getting house looted as it is. It's quite funny though because you continue to prove my point even further by saying there's no issue with house looting or killing in a regular home because you have nothing to lose. Why is that? Because everything is either in your bank or Guild house? So I'll ask again what's the point in having a regular house if you keep nothing in it and guild houses are protected with no weight or item limitation on them?





I was basing it on this I didn't like the way pretty much called me retarded for having a different opinion.

First of all, that's not sarcasm, it's the truth, I was being perfectly sincere.

Secondly, this weight issue in the homes. How is this to be coded? who's going to do the coding? and why fix(or attempt to) fix something that has never been a problem before but it's a problem now that you and your group have come back?

I have nothing to lose because i've been playing for all of 3 days total, and yes everything is in my bank, where no person on the entire shard aside from gm's can touch it, really? you're going to complain about house looting and safety when everyone can place almost everything they own in the bank? Is that too safe for you as well?

Ah but your point is being contrarian, why would anyone keep a normal house if people such as yourself seek to house loot and grief? you create the entire problem on your own.

PVP'ing is fine, using bugs to kill and loot statics/GH's/homes is destroying experiences and possibly our tenuous playerbase, which again you have refused to clarify yourselves on, many of your group have openly admitted to using bugs in the past and near future to do what they wish and harm other players needlessly.

The point is you don't have a point, you just stated you did not, you had a suggestion, you suggestions are based on a game that doesn't exist anymore, this shard is a different game with a different idea and gaming base and I very much doubt what you're trying to accomplish here is the spirit of the shard anymore.

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It's honestly pointless arguing with you considering you think were a constant problem because we like different things, it's pretty discriminating and annoying is what it is.

You say that I'm causing a problem because of my likes and and dislikes in the game? It's called criticism and what type of message are you sending other players that are joining saying it's either you're way or no way there's no room for suggestions or change?

Lol, you honestly make me laugh out loud in real life reading your post where in any way did I say I was going to abuse a bug to house loot or kill people? I have never used a bug in the past or future to house loot and I'm sure the past staff of IN-X can vouch for me on this it's all on the players mistake and nothing else for the blame to fall on. Sure house looting can harm the player base but it's a part of the game, it's the risk you take "LEAVING THE PROTECTION OF THE GUARDS" You're not in a safe territory anymore if someone is hidden at you're doorstep and you don't reveal them before they get in it's your own fault the players not a bug nor anyone else to blame. Therefore there is no reason to quit for your house being looted on terms of your own mistakes.

Do you not think I know that I'm playing on IN-UO.net? I had to type the website in before playing the game sir, not to mention the patcher is called IN-Patcher. This doesn't mean the game it self doesn't change over time it's a custom built shard no UO is the same this one is the closest to IN-X or even XUO for that matter that's why I chose to play here. I also don't appreciate you soiling my name on a new server that I just joined for things i didn't do such as abuse bugs etc. If you're looking for a player who did that I can point you in the right direction if needed be.

[Fulmanar]

It's honestly pointless arguing with you considering you think were a constant problem because we like different things, it's pretty discriminating and annoying is what it is.

You say that I'm causing a problem because of my likes and and dislikes in the game? It's called criticism and what type of message are you sending other players that are joining saying it's either you're way or no way there's no room for suggestions or change?

Lol, you honestly make me laugh out loud in real life reading your post where in any way did I say I was going to abuse a bug to house loot or kill people? I have never used a bug in the past or future to house loot and I'm sure the past staff of IN-X can vouch for me on this it's all on the players mistake and nothing else for the blame to fall on. Sure house looting can harm the player base but it's a part of the game, it's the risk you take "LEAVING THE PROTECTION OF THE GUARDS" You're not in a safe territory anymore if someone is hidden at you're doorstep and you don't reveal them before they get in it's your own fault the players not a bug nor anyone else to blame. Therefore there is no reason to quit for your house being looted on terms of your own mistakes.

Do you not think I know that I'm playing on IN-UO.net? I had to type the website in before playing the game sir, not to mention the patcher is called IN-Patcher. This doesn't mean the game it self doesn't change over time it's a custom built shard no UO is the same this one is the closest to IN-X or even XUO for that matter that's why I chose to play here. I also don't appreciate you soiling my name on a new server that I just joined for things i didn't do such as abuse bugs etc. If you're looking for a player who did that I can point you in the right direction if needed be.

To address your consternation at arguing with me: I am not discriminating against you, how so? I clearly had a very consistant argument versus your playstyle, anyone who does that would get the same argument from me.

You're going to claim criticism on my part, when your group is literally "friendly trolling" and spewing garbage on the forums/IRC and getting banned for their stupidity, so I cannot make a well formed opinionated derision of you but you and you group can do as you please with no consequence? You have made your suggestion, that does not mean it won't be scrutinized by people who do not think differently, hell I don't even mind these changes but you seem to not accept what these changes are for(that being your own form of amusement to which you base your complete existence on here)

And yes house looting can harm the player base, I know it can, I told you that. We're a shard that is not in a position to simply lose players because a few people want to house loot/grief, it's counter productive to the other 120+ people who enjoy themselves, it's just a matter of numbers, your action while may be fun to you could cause the shard to lose 10 people or more which would then just slowly erode the playerbase to where we won't have anyone.

If you're aware that you're not playing an old shard why do you keep thinking that this is the way it should be? hell Rob took the guildname Prototype and I believe Luda complained and moaned for upwards of 3 hours in IRC about how "we'll see what happens when I have max skill brah" and when told that looting houses was nearly impossible without bugs he then stated "then i'll just have to use them" This just demonstrates the inflexibility of your group, and while you seem to be the most reasonable of them the point still stands.

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I do realized you've said that I was the most reasonable of them at this point thank you for taking me somewhat seriously, so I won't dwell on this too much. Going back over your post you're pretty much blaming me for their flaws and being banned in the chat or the way their acting by trolling and being rude you've made the mistake thinking I'll react like them. I honestly don't care for a guild name or my personal character name I'm here to straight forward PvP, Gank and potentially house loot (This is why I'm trying to get the weight / item limitation on guild houses so that it can still happen.) I'm sure I'm not the only one who wouldn't mind this change either.


"And yes house looting can harm the player base, I know it can, I told you that. We're a shard that is not in a position to simply lose players because a few people want to house loot/grief, it's counter productive to the other 120+ people who enjoy themselves, it's just a matter of numbers, your action while may be fun to you could cause the shard to lose 10 people or more which would then just slowly erode the playerbase to where we won't have anyone."

I agree completely that it can damage the player base like I've agreed with you already but then again like I've said the player can 100% avoid this just by using detect hidden or casting reveal in their spell book, if they see someone there at their home the logic is to not open your door to strangers :p

[Gang]

IMO the privately owned houses is much safer to keep your items at. In the guild you can still be stabbed especially in big guilds that get everyone in. But even in these guilds you still can just buy a small house a put guildchest there. Then there would be like ten people on whole server that would have a chance to loot you if they'd somehow got inside;p Let alone one-man-guilds or guilds that take only people who prooven themselves as trustworthy...

p.s. Not sure if we can put guildchests in private hosues tho, I remember we could do that on inx. Anyhow, I never kept my items in house. Either in bank or on vendor, when tehre was access to the mall from pits that is ;p

[Habibi Jones]

Smoke you'll never ever see that idea implemented here... There's no point. I think you are misunderstanding the rule a bit... You can't join a guild to loot it, then quit. If you run through an open door into my guildhouse and want to loot it, then by all means try your best to do so; it's legal. That's a pretty legitimate rule if you ask me, because without if we would have idiots doing it left and right, which obviously isn't good for a "new" server. If you can't see/understand that... Well then I wish you the best of luck trying to bug into houses and shit, cause you'll either get banned or not find any bugs.

[sm0ke]

Smoke you'll never ever see that idea implemented here... There's no point. I think you are misunderstanding the rule a bit... You can't join a guild to loot it, then quit. If you run through an open door into my guildhouse and want to loot it, then by all means try your best to do so; it's legal. That's a pretty legitimate rule if you ask me, because without if we would have idiots doing it left and right, which obviously isn't good for a "new" server. If you can't see/understand that... Well then I wish you the best of luck trying to bug into houses and shit, cause you'll either get banned or not find any bugs.

Huh? I never said I wanted people to join guilds and steal from them? I said I would suggest limiting have a certain amount of weight the house can contain to not have everyone just put all there stuff in their guild houses. That way normal houses have a point in the game and house looting will still have a purpose.

I mean does anyone even read what I posted >.>