[imported_Redorb]

Haha, yeah we probably were.. only problem was that IN1 was my first UO shard and i was a nub for quite a few months, first with Tobbz, then with Elder Rogue (was known as ZEAL at that time) before finally meeting up with lantis in Virtue and learning a few things So my time frame is a little wacky

[imported_Alper Tunga]

keeping on topic haha would be good to hear from xuo players their pvp tactics.

btw, what is everyone doing while waiting for inx to open anyone playing new shards? any good ones?

[imported_Duke]

how can you describe your tactic in a post...the main idea is crit fs fs fs lighting

[imported_juggobuggo]

keeping on topic haha would be good to hear from xuo players their pvp tactics.

btw, what is everyone doing while waiting for inx to open anyone playing new shards? any good ones?

playing alpha :icon_twisted:

how can you describe your tactic in a post...the main idea is crit fs fs fs lighting

yes, if you suck at pvp, thats your tactic
no offense, you are good at pvp, but it comes to a little more than that as im sure you know. although it sums it up a bit.

[imported_Dramatic]

how come ur playing alpha and the rest of the players get to wait ?

i mean are you a new staff member and therefore will staff aswell when the real shard opens , or is it just another case of favoritism? Dont get me wrong i like you as you should know , i just wanna solve that doubt of mine and if you are not staffing in the future the shard should be opened for the public as i post this stuff , since its pretty much unfair for those who want to play and get to wait for it ( i dont include myself since i wont be playing that much )

[imported_juggobuggo]

i cannot know the exact reason why i was picked for alpha testing, but im sure some of the reasons are that i have alot of sphere knowledge (both as staff and player), and ive helped out with xuo alot even though im sure not many knows about that.

for your knowledge, the alpha testers arent "playing", its work. everything must be tested so it works correctly, its not like we can play around and do whatever we feel to. we get tasks from the staff in charge and do what they want us to do.

btw, i am not the only "player" who is alpha tester. as i said before i do not know how alpha testers are selected, you will have to ask maka and coldrake, but im sure they all have something contributed since before and are all trustworthy and hard working people.

as i see it its too much work and testing for the staff to handle on its own, and thats why a few "players" help out. it would be public if it was ready to be, but there is still more to do. maybe a staff member in charge could comment.

[imported_Alper Tunga]

playing alpha :icon_twisted:




yes, if you suck at pvp, thats your tactic
no offense, you are good at pvp, but it comes to a little more than that as im sure you know. although it sums it up a bit.

lol... yeh i'm sure its more than crit fs fs fs lightning and you dont have to give your secrets away if you dont want to lol... like fs what kind of fs? scroll? normal? nos? and thats just the offensive side. what about healing? i'm sure its not just bandage or gh pot lol...

no offence just wondering if people who actually good enough and know what to do and when can explain so others get an idea of how different xuo pvp is

[imported_Dramatic]

i cannot know the exact reason why i was picked for alpha testing, but im sure some of the reasons are that i have alot of sphere knowledge (both as staff and player), and ive helped out with xuo alot even though im sure not many knows about that.

for your knowledge, the alpha testers arent "playing", its work. everything must be tested so it works correctly, its not like we can play around and do whatever we feel to. we get tasks from the staff in charge and do what they want us to do.

btw, i am not the only "player" who is alpha tester. as i said before i do not know how alpha testers are selected, you will have to ask maka and coldrake, but im sure they all have something contributed since before and are all trustworthy and hard working people.

as i see it its too much work and testing for the staff to handle on its own, and thats why a few "players" help out. it would be public if it was ready to be, but there is still more to do. maybe a staff member in charge could comment.

ahh okay . Damn its a pleasure to ask someone something like that without getting flammed . Very mature response juggo . Apprecciated

[imported_juggobuggo]

ill try to explain a little about pvp from my point of view. i think someone is writing a pvp guide as well.

its very hard to kill someone only with magic from full hp, so what you want to do is to melee first and then finnish off with magic. lightning scroll is a fast spell that does 18hp and is often used as "finnishing off". basically you want to hit your opponent with the first fs by surprise, thats why it is good to use nos fs first, as it doesnt give away what you are doing with hp loss. then you would want to follow up with a few fs xuo so you can cast as many fs as possible, and if needed finnishing off with lightning scroll. we call this a "dump", and you would want to use this when your opponent already drank a pot and you know he is low on mana, and you just got a nice melee hit on him.

healing is a little more tricky to explain, people use healing very different. some people heal EVERYTHING, if they get hit to 95hp they will heal. if you do this you will be called "defensive newb" and all kinds of things (ask elleb xD) since its so boring to duel these people. otherwise its just to use common sense, if you want to heal and has alot of hp you might want to use bandages. if you are more injured you should use regular greater heal from spellbook. if you got hit so you have 46hp or less you have to use greater heal scroll or use healing pot, since a fs does 46hp and a regular spellbook greater heal isnt fast enough.

if you got more questions ill try to clarify some more.

[maka]

Juggo won't have a normal staff position on the real shard, if he gets something it would be a "building" pos or something similar. This is not discussed with the other team and we do not know if we even need it so there is a big chance it wont happend. Juggo, and a few other guys, were chosen cause of their ability to test things and cause we didn't really think that they would just PvP all day. Tiff also told me that he was testing his old shard back in the day to and that he did a great job.

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Now, dissregarding that, I'll share some of my PvP ideas or ideas of how a good PvPer is:p

First off, there is no specific tactic that is good against everyone, a good PvPer is flexible and addepts himself to the situation. You can't beat a offensive player the same way as you'd would a defensive one, a good PvPer players and uses the opponent.

This is part of a PvP guide I never finished, wrote it when I quit as a dev on my last shard. This guide might be both obsolete and bad, but I figured I'd post it since this is kind of how I PvP and I don't seem to die that often. Hopefully n0x's "Newbie PvP Guide" will be out soon to explain the basics.

I have recently been thinking about my UO days and the end of it. I think that I'm pretty much done with this game and was wondering what my last contribution could be. I've been training some people lately and it hit me, wouldn't the shard be a lot more fun if everyone was a lot better at PvP? Tourneys would be a lot more equal and you wouldn't see the same person winning tours every time, if something is hard and equal it creates excitement. So here is my last contribution, a advance version of my old PvP guide. These moves are mainly for people that understand PvP, if you do it on a "noob" they might not be better than a full fs dump.

In the advanced PvP guide we will go through some moves, how to read your opponent, how to trick him, test him and then finally beat him. I will start of by explaining a few moves.


Light-NOS:
You press the light scroll once and then you cast a nos scroll on them quickly afterwards, this move have to be hidden by a spam.

Looks like:
When you do this move it will look like you are casting a light scroll on your opponent cause of the sound and the HP you loose.

Use:
This should be used when your opponent has enough HP that he won't cast a GHeal but still can be damaged by a FS when his aid succeeds.


Light-XUO:
Cast a light scroll and right after its done cast a XUO. This does not have to be covered by a spam since the HP and sound makes it obvious to what you are doing.

Use:
This is a good move to make when someone is on 50-85 HP and uses an aid. You will start of by casting a light on your opponent when he uses the aid. A light scroll takes 1 second and aid takes 2.5. This means that there will be 1.5 secs left for his aid when your light is done, this is when you should cast the XUO scroll. If his aid succeeds you can easily tab your FS scroll and if it doesn't your fs will be there within 0.5 secs. If this move fails you have only lost about 29 HP and 7 mana, which isn't dangerous at high HP, and if it succeeds you will have a pretty good shot at killing your opponent.


Spell-XUO:
Cast a random spell that has the an animation where the hands move upwards and then fizzle it by casting a XUO scroll on your opponent, the XUO scroll has to come RIGHT after the first spell.

Looks like:
This will look like you tried casting a XUO scroll on your opponent but messed up or changed your mind. This move also has some of the utilities of a NOS scroll since it's “hidden”, It's like having an NOS scroll that takes 24 HP and 20 mana. Make sure you do not get hit while you are doing this but don't move away cause it might look like you are casting, try doing it when he can't hit you.

Use:
Spell-XUO is useful when ever your opponent is on or below 92 hp. It's also useful at every moment where you opponent chooses to aid instead of heal and you want to cast a cheap hidden FS.


Spell-Aid-NOS:
When doing this you have to make sure you are on 99 hp or below, if you do it at full HP use a scroll that drains life. You then take the aid and right after the aid you cast your NOS. Make sure that everything is covered with the same type of spams so that your opponent can't see any irregularities.

Looks Like:
You can either make it look like you are aiding after your first spell by using EBolt cause of the 10HP penalty, or you can make it look like you are trying to pre-cast by using Light scroll.

Use:
This is useful to use when your opponent is on low mana or when he can't drink a potion. This FS will be a stealthed FS and you will therefore be 2.1 secs ahead of your opponent. Casting a light and aiding might keep your opponent from aiding cause he is waiting on his hit.


Aid-NOS:
Pretty much same as above.

[imported_Dramatic]

just basic hints :

in order to kill ur opponent the easiest way possible , u must make him sip a pot , either by draining his mana slowly with hits ( fast wep required in this case ) or by draining his mana bigtime or making him sip a gh pot ( strong wep in this case) .

first of all if you dont have sound in ur comp , stick to hunting lol .

sound takes a big role in this pvp , not for only guessing when ur opponent drinks the pot , but also when he uses the bandages , those almighty items that can save ur ass or drive you straight to hell . Even tho i fake the bandies most of the times so i actually make my opponents cast a fs on me when im actually healing with spell , this aint happening quite often . Bandies are most likely used when the opponents life is 80 or higher ( this is a nice chance to make ur move and get ur opponents life in danger by casting a nos fs and faking another one with the spam , remember that bandies tend to give a low amount of hp so the opponent would , in most of the cases , have to scroll his ass up with a gh scroll , wich takes alot of mana , or sip a gh pot , this way weaking his deffense )

Another issue is the timing...time will tell , and the new players who hasnt practised this pvp before will get use to the timing of the spells within time.

For example the spellbook's GH spell goes actually at the same speed than the flamestrike scroll , this way if ur timing is close to perfect , u can stop ur opponent's flamestrikes with regular gh's , no need to use scroll unless the opponent is casting buncha flames on you and ur lifes is around 46 , then dont rely on the luck and GH scroll . ( this paragraph is not recommended for the new users since it requires a high skill base in this pvp )


About the hit issue , if ur facing a healer , this is the term we use for the ppl that use the gh spell alot , even with his life is 85 or above , you should try using a fast wep wich drains his mana fast and will most likely make him drink a mana pot , then trying the trick i mentioned above about attacking when he use the bandie or when hes at high hp but not full .

If ur facing a common fighter , who is kind of 50 /50 , heals , uses bandies and attacks often , id say the best thing to do is grab a powerful weapon , like the bardiche or halberd , holding strong hits on him , sometimes getting his life down to 50 or so , thats when you gotta " dump"

The precast , a sometimes risky technique used to get some extra mana from draining ur life with the FS XUO scroll . There are 2 types of precasts , ill explain them below :

-Precast Type 1 : probably the most used , even tho its a bit risky . This is about using a bandage when ur life is high , close to full life , 95 or so..so when using a bandage at this HP , you simply double click a xuo fs scroll ( i suggest to make a macro about this " clicking the xuo scroll only) , while the bandage is being used on you..this way ur life will be recovered and a flamestrike will be ready to cast as if was a NOS FS ( remember u should start the dumps with NOS fses cause they are secure )

-Precast Type 2 : used most of the times by skilled players , who know what they do . This is about clicking the xuo scroll while you are healing urself with a gh spell (spellbook) . This way its a more secure way to get ur life at FULL HP and get a flamestrike ready to be cast. This precast type takes more mana due to the casting of a gh and sometimes its not that useful cause you might face annoying opponents who will strike you with a lighting just on purpose to block any of your possible dump attacks.

Finally , the spams take a big role in this pvp , wich is basically to make ur opponent think something ur not doing , like fsing him , and therefore making him heal or using pots .

Spams can be also harmful , even if they look fake , never trust on the luck , be always rdy to hit the gh scroll key if ur HP goes below 46 and u already drank a pot. Reading the players pvp is something you will people learn automatically by practising the pvp alot .

[imported_Hate]

[SIZE="3"]BASIC KNOWLEDGE. Read Dramatics and Makas guides for more advanced tactics.[/SIZE]

Defensive:

Everybody heals different as Juggo stated. Best way however is to feel yourself how low you can go on HP, and still survive a dump. If you know you are low on mana, can't use a gheal scroll if needed, having used a potion recently, and believe the enemy is FSing hidden, then it's a BAD time to use bandages, but a good time to use a regular heal, since that will give you better odds to survive the heal. However if you have a lot of mana and know that even if your bandage fails, and he still FSes, you'll still be able to heal up with good timing, or a gheal potion potion or whatever, then it's a good time to use a bandage and save some mana which you will need for your offensive attack. I got pretty much by feeling when it comes to this, I know when I will survive and when I won't, I use whatever feels best in the situation, the "tactic" is built into my head and it changes all the time depending on the enemys move, this is what happens after years of practice, you'll learn.


Offensive:

Same goes here kind of, I go by feeling, but the main thing is for you to make your opponent drink a potion, because as long as the opponent doesn't suck a lot, or doesn't have any mana left, he will survive if you dump when he can drink a gheal potion. Imagine a gheal spells plus a gheal potion, which together gives you about 80 hp or so, get that at the same time and heal 2-3 more times and it doesn't matter if the opponent wastes all his mana (if you both have as good timing). However if you can't use your potion you'll be in much bigger danger. If the enemy drank a potion and you're going to FS, wait for a good hit and make sure you have enough mana to do at least two FS and a light. A good tactic is to mix NOS FS scrolls which is silent (as your first FS), with XUO fs which takes less mana, as the other. Just make sure you don't do too many XUO fs, because if you go below 50% of your life you may risk getting a FS back in your ass and die, if the opponent is good. Try getting two fs and a light on his ass, if he still isn't dead you'll probably just waste mana by casting 3 fs and a light, unless you know he won't survive another FS, but this is something you have to FEEL or calculate while duelling your opponent.

Timing:

Very important for sphere/tus pvp always. Try to always have good timing between the magic attacks, this could be the difference between winning and loosing.

Other stuff to think of:

Depending on how good you are you'll be using these tactics better and better, and you won't even be thinking about them after a while. I use much much more advanced "tactics" than this, a different one depending on the enemys move, but this is basic knowledge about XUO pvp, and that's what you wanted to know so there you go :]

This is the magic part of PvP. Armor and weapons does of course matter too. You won't be hitting a player in tourney gear much if you're using some crappy weapon, and you will be hit very much by his tourney weapon if you're using iron armor, so try to match his gear or get an even better one, then you'll have to focus on magic and getting what I said over there right.

However it is possible to win if you're really good, even if you don't have as good armor and weapon, depending on your PvP skill. But what matters who wins are three things: Gear + Skills (UO skills) + PvP skills (by PvP skills I mean what I stated up there, your strategy and how good you are at using it).

Also take a look at Makas PvP-guide here up above, it has a lot of interesting information for when you're starting to get better :] Same goes for Dramatics info above :]

Good luck!

Regards,
Hate