[imported_Lederoil]

He's calling me an idiot still he doesn't get the whole idea of this even though it has been explained numerous of times!

Also, even though Rabbi and Kandorin is neutral here, doesn't mean they haven't experienced being in aligned guilds in other shards, so that's a rather useless argument. It's not like you're any hardcore PVP either.

[imported_Rabbi Samild]

Ugh, this is the problem with being friends with everyone.

This calling everyone an idiot thing has gotten out of hand and isn't really adding to the humor anymore. It needs to stop.

[smoke]

jesus all this fighting becuase you guys are want to be order rather than neutral theres no difference

[imported_Rabbi Samild]

There's a big difference:

1. It gives order a great chance to team up and fight against chaos -- this would make for larger pvp battles.

2. It would fix the fact that order fighting order makes no sense.

3. The order shield looks pretty bad ass an has better armor class than neutral.

[imported_Cytrick]

I agree that order shouldn't be allowed to attack order, unless your guilds go to war with each other. If you are order and you don't like another order guild or people in it, go to war with them or just deal with or go chaos, its not a hard choice and i think most people who want to be order feel this way and don't want to go order if they can't trust other order guilds, when there is so many chaos/red pks.

oh the btw Luda and Tech, although some of us arn't chaos or order here, right now, i know all of us have played other shards(if your like me you've tried over 20 and spent reasonable time on at least 8) and im sure most of us have played chaos or order or both and i have rarely seen order v order unless via guild war fuction, which wasn't often. So don't act like we don't know what we are talking about.

[imported_voodoo]

Kal Vas Flam.....nothing happens... looks at my IRL MANA BAR ...doesnt have one.. hmm i guess saying words and castin spells doesnt make sence... LETS TAKE IT OUT???

k but really tho.. if a guild wants to group up to kill ppl..they can nothing is stoping anyone from doing it..I think ppl are scared to change their guild to order and have to worry about other order guilds killing them and also have to worry about chaos... i think we just need to add something for killing ppl in guilds...other than oh u attacked an order player your order... lets get ur guarded.. no thanks...like mayb give points and for x amount of points u get stuff...

If you guys want to change it that you need to declare war.. make it so the other guild doesnt have to agree.. once u declare war its war.. whether they like it or not..

[imported_Taran]

"WAAAAAAHHH"

That's basically what I see when I read this topic. I'm all for freedom of speech but this kindergarten attitude between certain people seriously needs to stop. When I have time I will clean up the forums and if topics keep getting destroyed like this I'm going to have to ban a couple of forum accounts. Yes, you know who you are!

On topic, I still haven't seen any good arguments as to why we couldn't try this out for a while. I've seen some pretty good arguments as to why we should though.

[imported_LudaKrishna]

i'm actually tired of having ppl on the forums gang up on me, ppl like scare don't even post their opinion (which he agrees with us) cuz u guys just threaten to ban. I'm sorry but when ppl actually consider a change that can change the gameplay i'd like to get my point across but u got those ppl who u call "borderline harrassers" that just post to start arguments.

anyways it takes 2 to argue so if something happens to me something better happen to someone else.

[imported_Lederoil]

i'm actually tired of having ppl on the forums gang up on me, ppl like scare don't even post their opinion (which he agrees with us) cuz u guys just threaten to ban. I'm sorry but when ppl actually consider a change that can change the gameplay i'd like to get my point across but u got those ppl who u call "borderline harrassers" that just post to start arguments.

anyways it takes 2 to argue so if something happens to me something better happen to someone else.

If you ever could learn to write something constructive and at least try to see the matter from an objective view I'm sure it wouldn't seem like people "ganging up on you". It's because of your arguments does never have anything constructive in them people start to freak out on you.

An argument like "this will ruin the pvp", "I don't think this is a good idea" or "you're an idiot" is totally worthless unless you can motivate it, which you very rarely do, even though you might try sometimes.

You're more than welcome to state your opinion, but if you want people motivated your opinion is the right one, you better start doing with some finesse. You always state how this is internet and you don't care about how you write, maybe you should have a second thought on that. Voodo's post is a pretty good example. Do you think he got his point across very well? Hell, I bet half of his point is lost, not only will many people just skip his posts because of the look of it, even the ones who reads won't get what he's writing. I doubt it's anything harshly wrong with his english skills either, if he just could try take one more second to write it more properly, it wouldn't look like a complete mess.

It takes two to argue, though there's nothing wrong with arguing as long as both parts stay on a mature level. It's fully possible only one part's arguing on an immature level while the other part stays on the mature level, with that said, if it happens something to you it doesn't require it happens something to someone else.

Like Taran wrote;

I still haven't seen any good arguments as to why we couldn't try this out for a while.

Even though you have been trying to get your point across with plenty of posts in this thread, you haven't come with any good arguments for why this is a bad idea. That's a fact and I hope this will tell you something. Start thinking through your ideas and opinions before you post.

[imported_LudaKrishna]

omfg go to hell lederoil i couldn't care less wtf u have to say.

[smoke]

"WAAAAAAHHH"

That's basically what I see when I read this topic. I'm all for freedom of speech but this kindergarten attitude between certain people seriously needs to stop. When I have time I will clean up the forums and if topics keep getting destroyed like this I'm going to have to ban a couple of forum accounts. Yes, you know who you are!

On topic, I still haven't seen any good arguments as to why we couldn't try this out for a while. I've seen some pretty good arguments as to why we should though.

i hope your not talking about me, because experessing my opinion because i don't agree with another player isn't considered a banable offense just because i'm trying to protect guild wars/ganks

too many changes are being made so that PvPs have less action or theres delay in spam cant loot r/r reward items no more can't loot chaos/order sheilds because their bound need to wear armor now can you guys just stop it? when is the day going to come when we try lowering the skill gain for a bit and trying it out?

Taran theres people who always complain about the skill gain and want to see if i can be made easier yet theres always people defending their things like pvm/rp/skill gain like we are in here about our pvp system and things that effect it yet you're giving them a chance and always changing things like this and never giving our suggestions a chance it's not fair at all

[imported_MadMan]

i hope your not talking about me, because experessing my opinion because i don't agree with another player isn't considered a banable offense just because i'm trying to protect guild wars/ganks

too many changes are being made so that PvPs have less action or theres delay in spam cant loot r/r reward items no more can't loot chaos/order sheilds because their bound need to wear armor now can you guys just stop it? when is the day going to come when we try lowering the skill gain for a bit and trying it out?

Taran theres people who always complain about the skill gain and want to see if i can be made easier yet theres always people defending their things like pvm/rp/skill gain like we are in here about our pvp system and things that effect it yet you're giving them a chance and always changing things like this and never giving our suggestions a chance it's not fair at all

I'm sorry... but this post is truly... amazing.



You can loot chaos / order shields and equipt them now as long as you have 10k fame.
If this change does happen it won't change pvp or ganks or action whatever you think it will at all.
and about the rest of your post I didnt understand at all since you make no sense whatsoever.