[imported_Hate]

so basically because you don't like the fact that i exposed ronald as other players you don't like it? I don't like a lot of things people do like kill me for example but it's not harassment because it disturbs me it's part of the game so that's a silly exuse that you got there I simply added a delay and exposed his other characters which is completely normal so if hes upset that sucks but i did nothing wrong

I'm just telling you why Shade most likely jailed you, and why what you did was considered harassment.

As you quoted yourself:

It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset.

Did what you did upset Ronald? Apparantly so, there for it was harassment. I'm just trying to explain to you why trying to expose somebodys other characters may be a worse type of harassment, the type that might get you jailed. While "You suck, go ocllo" may not have the same affect, because even tho it is intended to make somebody upset it rarely upsets anybody, while exposing somebodys other characters may actually upset somebody.

That's all I'm trying to explain.

Hate I encourage you to look at the majority of Lederoil's posts and ask yourself if you think that is a "little" bit of flaming.

I will.

Regards,
Hate

[imported_Silverwolf]

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[imported_Silverwolf]

what is this... seriously...

i'm not taking ANYONES side, im simply replying from what i've read...

If someone is to reveal someones mortal character, it is definately a piss off.. it will get you upset, but whos to say that EVERYONE gets upset over the same stuff... and thats like saying EVERYTHING that pisses someone off, or upsets them, is harassement, which its not... (that rule is WAYY to broad)

harassement is BOTHERING somebody, keep msging them, keep spamming them... calling them names repetitively, yes thats harassement...

now putting up a macro even with a delay could b considered harassement, yes... but revealing someones mortals character isnt..

for example... if everytime i saw you i said, RONALD YOUR X person, your x person, your x person.... yeah...

but if its just ronald i know who u are, your X person, haha i found out who u are, look everyone its X person... thats not harassement...

now im not saying whos right and wrong, just telling you what harassement really is... revealing a mortal character isnt harassement, neither in my book is revealing a GM's character, but thats a seperate rule...

now lets get back to the topic at hand with the VANQ Bard and the discussion about hunting spots, where the concern should be...

[smoke]

I'm just telling you why Shade most likely jailed you, and why what you did was considered harassment.

As you quoted yourself:


Did what you did upset Ronald? Apparantly so, there for it was harassment. I'm just trying to explain to you why trying to expose somebodys other characters may be a worse type of harassment, the type that might get you jailed. While "You suck, go ocllo" may not have the same affect, because even tho it is intended to make somebody upset it rarely upsets anybody, while exposing somebodys other characters may actually upset somebody.

That's all I'm trying to explain.


I will.

Regards,
Hate

and i told you people get upset dying everyday thats not harassment i don't care if i made ronald upset it's a part of the game theres no rule where to reveal another mortals character

[imported_Hate]

and i told you people get upset dying everyday thats not harassment i don't care if i made ronald upset it's a part of the game theres no rule where to reveal another mortals character

You just quoted the harassment rule and it said that if you are trying to make somebody upset you're harassing him/her. Just drop it already.

Silverwolf:
I've been trying to explain to Smoke that if he would tell somebody in a party chat who he thinks that Ronald is then it would not be harassment. Neither would it be if he said it in public once or twice. But following him in pits making a spam that says it every 20 seconds IS harassment, and that is what he did when he was jailed. I'm just trying to defend what Shade did because I can see why he did it, I myself usually don't jail people unless they do really bad things, and before that I usually give at least one warning, but I will try to get better at jailing people for stuff like that as well, because stuff like should not be tolerated by anybody in the staff team, espacially not when we have a "no harassment" rule.

Regards,
Hate

[imported_LudaKrishna]

espacially not when we have a "no harassment" rule.

targeting someone on the forums should be considered harrasment as well. would love to see that enforced on the forums.

[smoke]

You just quoted the harassment rule and it said that if you are trying to make somebody upset you're harassing him/her. Just drop it already.

Silverwolf:
I've been trying to explain to Smoke that if he would tell somebody in a party chat who he thinks that Ronald is then it would not be harassment. Neither would it be if he said it in public once or twice. But following him in pits making a spam that says it every 20 seconds IS harassment, and that is what he did when he was jailed. I'm just trying to defend what Shade did because I can see why he did it, I myself usually don't jail people unless they do really bad things, and before that I usually give at least one warning, but I will try to get better at jailing people for stuff like that as well, because stuff like should not be tolerated by anybody in the staff team, espacially not when we have a "no harassment" rule.

Regards,
Hate

alright so when you kill me on your mortal (im not exposing you so this should be completely legal) and i get upset thats harassment? how about when you make an event and always choose me as captian should that be harassment as well because your always picking me as captian? or how about when you kick people out becuase it's uneven numbers in tournements you kick out the last kid who makes it uneven which isn't fair because he was there from the start, you think he feels harassed as well because hes upset? please define people getting upset theres a difference between rules and doing something wrong. What your doing is blowing it out of proportion, as it was said taran makes the last decision and judgement calls and he said it was treated to harshly so it was obviously done wrong. So you should drop it and stop trying to argue your way saying i should've been punished more when i shouldn't of been punished at all.

Anyways this is getting out of hand but I think I should get the opportunity of getting to explain the situation considering I was jailed for 19 hours without a true valid reason please move these posts to the trashcan forum.

[imported_Hate]

alright so when you kill me on your mortal (im not exposing you so this should be completely legal) and i get upset thats harassment? how about when you make an event and always choose me as captian should that be harassment as well because your always picking me as captian? or how about when you kick people out becuase it's uneven numbers in tournements you kick out the last kid who makes it uneven which isn't fair because he was there from the start, you think he feels harassed as well because hes upset? please define people getting upset theres a difference between rules and doing something wrong. What your doing is blowing it out of proportion, as it was said taran makes the last decision and judgement calls and he said it was treated to harshly so it was obviously done wrong. So you should drop it and stop trying to argue your way saying i should've been punished more when i shouldn't of been punished at all.

Anyways this is getting out of hand but I think I should get the opportunity of getting to explain the situation considering I was jailed for 19 hours without a true valid reason please move these posts to the trashcan forum.

Since killing somebody in-game is a part of this game it's hard to jail people for that, sometimes you've got to use common sense. However if somebody boxes your ghost, or resskills you for an hour (when you for some reason aren't able to find the "out of war button"), then that's harassment. If somebody kills you, cuts you, resses you, paralyzes you and sets a macro to re-paralyze as soon as the para is about to wear off, then that's also harassment. But just killing somebody in a normal way is not harassment, because it is part of the game, no matter if you get upset or not.

First off all I haven't "kicked the last player out of the CTF" for .. what.. 1 year? And I did it once. I'm impressed that you remember it tho. However that time I had to do it to even out the teams, I told the person to find a partner and if he found a partner before the tourney started he'd be able to join, that may have been something that made him sad but it was for the good of making everybody else happy (having balanced teams). However like I said, I only did that once, he may have gotten upset, but I was not "harassing" him, I was just making my rules for the tourney and since it was uneven teams and he was the last person to join he had to find another person or he'd have to observe instead.

I don't pick you for captain if you don't want to be a captain. I ask the crowd if I can pick the two decent players who knows whose good and whose not, and if they say yes I pick two players whom I consider to be decent or good. However if you would say "I don't want to be a captain" then I'd tele u back out and pick somebody else, I'm not "forcing anybody" to be a captain, I'm just trying to balance the teams, I am not harassing you when I do that, and I'm sure you realize that as well.

We can drop this whenever you want to, I have explained my side of the story and what I think would've been the right thing to do, and you have explained your side of the story and how you think it should've been handled, so whenever you're ready to drop it we will drop it. You do not even have to reply to this and it will end with this post.

Regards,
Hate

[imported_p!nk dr@g0n]

Since killing somebody in-game is a part of this game it's hard to jail people for that, sometimes you've got to use common sense. However if somebody boxes your ghost, or resskills you for an hour (when you for some reason aren't able to find the "out of war button"), then that's harassment. If somebody kills you, cuts you, resses you, paralyzes you and sets a macro to re-paralyze as soon as the para is about to wear off, then that's also harassment. But just killing somebody in a normal way is not harassment, because it is part of the game, no matter if you get upset or not.

Obviously not. I e-mailed taran like 20 screenshots showing EXACTLY what you just described and he said it's not considered harassment. It seems like all staff's opinions on what is an offense differs. I have a strong feeling it has very very much to do with who the offender is and who the victim is.

Ronald is an idiot.

[Eighty Swords]

or resskills you for an hour (when you for some reason aren't able to find the "out of war button"), then that's harassment.

I call that stupidity

If somebody kills you, cuts you, resses you, paralyzes you and sets a macro to re-paralyze as soon as the para is about to wear off, then that's also harassment.

That's not harassment, that's funny

[imported_p!nk dr@g0n]

I call that stupidity

That's not harassment, that's funny

You're an idiot.

[imported_Hate]

Obviously not. I e-mailed taran like 20 screenshots showing EXACTLY what you just described and he said it's not considered harassment. It seems like all staff's opinions on what is an offense differs. I have a strong feeling it has very very much to do with who the offender is and who the victim is.

Ronald is an idiot.

I'm speaking my mind of what I think harassment is. But just like Smoke said, it's hard to "put the finger on harassment", so each and every staffmember has to make his or her own call on what they think is harassment, plus of course listen to how the victim feels, because that matters a lot too.

For example, if somebody would box somebody else inside his or her house and not let that use his character anymore, then I'd consider that harassment by far. I can only speak for myself tho, if Taran thinks that's OK then that's up to him, but I'm still going to jail people who does that unless Taran personally tells me otherwise.

I don't think it has anything to do with whom the victim is really, Shade made a call judging from what he saw, he would not jail somebody just because he knew the victim, I've seen Shade work before, he is following rules very strictly and he always does what he thinks is right, he would not "bend the rules" for a friend, he thought that was harassment and that is why he jailed him, and I support his decision in this case.