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#1

So apparently people aren't happy with many aspects of IN:X, and this has been treated as an overarching feeling towards the entire shard. The only suggestion i have is to remove general forums completely. I currently have 8 threads open from the general form that have all been posted in since the last 12 hours, and they're all about dissatisfaction or somebody leaving. If people feel that way, fine, but i honestly believe that part of the reason they do, is because they enjoy complaining.

I've heard of other communities doing this, and it sounds tempting. Maybe an example would help? Ideally IN:X should be looked at as a community, where everyone does what they can to further the success of the shard - this benefits everyone else, and it benefits their self because they have a more rich, developed (complete) place to play. This can be likened to a business situation, where employers and employees seek to further the success of the company, and in so doing fulfill their own desires. In a business situation, it isn't acceptable for everyone to make suggestions, repeat suggestions, and criticize others' suggestions without order. It is not an open forum (no pun intended) for everybody's ideas equally. People talk at scheduled meetings, for a limited amount of time, and are moderated by an administrator's evaluation of what is and what isn't valuable to the company.

Even if you were to look at IN:X as a customer/service provider relationship (though, we aren't paying for anything), no business in their right mind allows for everyone to suggest and criticize whenever and however they want. No company has the human resources to deal with that kind of feedback, nor would they want to, because only so much criticism is constructive. Ultimately, even though some people are thoroughly unhappy with the little moderation that has been going on, that's what's been happening.

Furthermore, the staff already know what needs to be fixed. Everything that has been suggested has been suggested and heard 10 times over. Any more discussion about the same stuff exhausts and discourages the staff, and exhausts the players because they feel their requests (which are too often complaints) aren't being received. Players bash other players for whining, or for expressing their idea in a way another player doesn't like, then they get bashed back.

What has been useful to the development of the shard has been well stated suggestions and ideas. Maybe those could continue to be posted under the appropriate forum heading, under strict moderation.

What is there to lose? Questions can be asked, and answered. People can make a community and chat around things other than developmental decisions and progress in the off topic section. Suggestions can be made. Guilds can communicate. Announcements will be made and responded to. Role players can do their thing. Traders can trade, etc.

Sorry if i got long-winded. I wanted to make it easy to read. It's an out there idea, but i would be interested to know what other players, and even what other staff think.

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#2

I asked Maka about it just before he left the forums.. Heh.

Hopefully things will get back to normal when he comes back from egypt so we have some more scripters to work. That seems like the biggest problem atm. That shard development is at "pause" mode.

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#3

Thanks for your thoughts Cole.
#4

...heh

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#5

I think that if anyone flames, their post should just be deleted...
There is absolutely no productive benefit from flaming, NONE.

Shoot if I was a moderator, you wouldn't see flames anywhere if it were ok with Taran and other admins.

Also, if something has been discussed already, the moderator should be the one on top of things and should reply saying it's been done [or PM the person], and close the topic [and move it to the "Forum Trash Bin" if there were one].

Not trying to trash current moderators or anything, just saying if it were me.

And trash talking the server? It brings no benefit to anything or anyone either because no one wants to listen to a whiner. Follow the lead of the people that post in a calm, explanatory, mature way. You don't have to have great vocabulary, and you only need decent grammar. I think people would much rather read an intuitive post rather than a "WTF IS UP WITH THIS BS?!" post. It's seriously not hard to just stop...just don't even do it, I mean jesus, the word "challenge" does not even apply, so please just use some self-control, at least on these forums.

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#6

Cole Wrote:i honestly believe that part of the reason they do, is because they enjoy complaining.
I lost any respect for you I might of had right there.. no need to read the rest of your post.. waste of eye movement.

This is IN or what I thought was IN.. not a flash game based on the flame strike spell. Im gunna give pvp a try if you dont like the way the forums are.. you can GTFO. Big Grin

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#7

Jimmar Wrote:I lost any respect for you I might of had right there.. no need to read the rest of your post.. waste of eye movement.

This is IN or what I thought was IN.. not a flash game based on the flame strike spell. Im gunna give pvp a try if you dont like the way the forums are.. you can GTFO. Big Grin

I don't get what you got hung up on, and i don't get your likening my suggestion to a flash game with fs's. What are you trying to say? Or, if you don't care, don't reply, but then i don't see why you did in the first place.

Nalo, i agree completely...i just still see so much pessimism even from those who are trying to be constructive, and i feel like most of what goes on in the general forum is making players and staff alike exhausted and dissatisfied.

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#8

I think he was getting at that post that are considered "whining" are actually posts giving suggestions. Just because someone points out a (non)flaw in the server, it doesn't instantly mean they're whining.
#9

It could be translated into the fact that your post was mostly a suggestion/opinion and also an opinion of the people posting/leaving. They say their peace and leave, but they like to at least say why they're leaving. To some it may matter.

So, by you saying that one line it's deemed basically worthless unless you can be more neutral and just suggest, not hint at protest.

:/
#10

Cole Wrote:I don't get what you got hung up on, and i don't get your likening my suggestion to a flash game with fs's. What are you trying to say? Or, if you don't care, don't reply, but then i don't see why you did in the first place.

Nalo, i agree completely...i just still see so much pessimism even from those who are trying to be constructive, and i feel like most of what goes on in the general forum is making players and staff alike exhausted and dissatisfied.

Sorry I get carried away to easily.. -_-

Forgive me.

Happy New Years!

FH coming soon. Big Grin
#11

Smurtle Wrote:It could be translated into the fact that your post was mostly a suggestion/opinion and also an opinion of the people posting/leaving. They say their peace and leave, but they like to at least say why they're leaving. To some it may matter.

So, by you saying that one line it's deemed basically worthless unless you can be more neutral and just suggest, not hint at protest.

:/

hmm...i didn't mean to insinuate that everyone is whining, or that i'm offended by people posting leaving threads or something...obviously i can only speak in terms of opinion, and i stated my thread as a suggestion. I tried to do it in a way that left room for criticism and feedback.

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