[imported_Veno]

While i would be right after Horacio in signing onto the housing agent program i do not believe that to be viable. It would simply be unfair that only a handfull of people are allowed to make/edit custom houses. And i imagine that new players who come to the shard after we have been live for a while will think so too.

I also am not a fan of porting people to GA so they can build their house there. It doesnt make sense that you need the help from GM's to build your house. Especially in a RP perspective.

Id rather see that we can all make our own houses. And still find a way to avoid empty lots. Id prefer to see a very narrow time window in which you can build your house. Something like 6-12 hours at most.

[imported_Odium]

im sure this can be solved in another way. mayb like this.

1. staff will be able to see non commited houses
2. players will not be able to commit their houses
3. staff have to commit the players house if it gets accepted.

that way no teleporting to GA is needed. sure it might not be an easy solution but then again.. we should not go for the easy solutions

or like this:

1. you buy a custom house deed!
2. this deed allows you to create a custom house but never to commit it.
3. a gm can use this deed after a player have built a house with it. to see how it looked like and then a staff will be able to commit it.

pros with this idea is that you can let other people use this deed to see how your house will look like before a staff accepts the house. and then you will also be able to sell your"" house designs to other people with these special deeds. and the payment will occour when the gm commit the house.

also not an easy solution, but somthimes it helps to look ooutside the box =)

[imported_Veno]

im sure this can be solved in another way. mayb like this.

1. staff will be able to see non commited houses
2. players will not be able to commit their houses
3. staff have to commit the players house if it gets accepted.

that way no teleporting to GA is needed. sure it might not be an easy solution but then again.. we should not go for the easy solutions

or like this:

1. you buy a custom house deed!
2. this deed allows you to create a custom house but never to commit it.
3. a gm can use this deed after a player have built a house with it. to see how it looked like and then a staff will be able to commit it.

pros with this idea is that you can let other people use this deed to see how your house will look like before a staff accepts the house. and then you will also be able to sell your"" house designs to other people with these special deeds. and the payment will occour when the gm commit the house.

also not an easy solution, but somthimes it helps to look ooutside the box =)

Problem with both of these however will still be empty house lots. Which is and always has been my main issue regarding custom houses.
On the normal system you buy a lot, then use the house design tool while on your lot and create your house that no one else can see. When done you commit your changes and the gold is taken from your bank.

If this could be changed so that players will be able to use a fixed lot placed in a city to design their house then your ideas are very good. And the GM approval could perhaps be replaced by real estate agents. Those agents would also be the only ones who could edit already fixed houses. Would let GM's handle more important stuff than houses

[imported_Odium]

ye the ground floor have to be dealth with aswell :>

[imported_Magus]

Ahhhh shit, to many great ideas, I don't know wich to go for!

I love the one about Player Real Estate Agents, that's just well awesome.

Anyways, Great ideas I like em all ;D

[imported_Fable]

does anyone want custom house tools? urprised:

[imported_Pande]

While i would be right after Horacio in signing onto the housing agent program i do not believe that to be viable. It would simply be unfair that only a handfull of people are allowed to make/edit custom houses. And i imagine that new players who come to the shard after we have been live for a while will think so too.

thats a very good point veno, i never considered that. but on the other hand if we compare housing agents to a crafting skill, when a new person comes they will have to go to other people to get stuff like ar, pots, scrolls done.

I also am not a fan of porting people to GA so they can build their house there. It doesnt make sense that you need the help from GM's to build your house. Especially in a RP perspective.

yup, it does present an issue from the RP perspective and that's why we need to find a solution if we are to implement custom houses later on.

Id rather see that we can all make our own houses. And still find a way to avoid empty lots. Id prefer to see a very narrow time window in which you can build your house. Something like 6-12 hours at most.

so far, i think the time limit is one of the best ideas, but it would have to be significantly higher then that Veno. people don't design an entire house in one shot. some people also go through multiple revisions. like i said, i can take upto a week to make my house just right.

If this could be changed so that players will be able to use a fixed lot placed in a city to design their house then your ideas are very good. And the GM approval could perhaps be replaced by real estate agents. Those agents would also be the only ones who could edit already fixed houses. Would let GM's handle more important stuff than houses

the issue with that is that players can have enemies, and GMs cant. say i have to go to horacio to get my design approved because he is the only real estate agent on and horacio doesn't like me then i'm screwed. (i just picked horacio at random, i have nothing against him and i dont think he has anything against me ) sure i could go to another real estate agent, but there's a problem if horacio is the only one on at the same time as me. and i don't think players will always want to stop whatever they're doing to go and approve a house design.

my suggestion is to fine people if their lot is still blank or has not been worked on every x days.

fable, the issue with the custom house tool is that people will randomly place their house. we want to control it so that there aren't a bunch of blank lots around, and we also want it to make sense; to have a house made of the right materials in the right place as i mentioned in a previous post. and to be honest, some people suck at making custom houses. if someone is going to make a custom house, it should look good.

[imported_Veno]

Well time limit would be an internal discussion between staff. Id prefer as short as possible since you could always edit it later. Perhaps create House Change tickets that cost 25k and give you 24 hours to change and rebuild a custom house. Would remove the need for staff to intervene whenever someone wants a new front door or another window :p

[imported_Pande]

you are automatically charged 10k whenever you make a change and commit it. ontop of this you pay for any additional walls/floor you place.

once a house is designed, players would be allowed to change it at will provided it stays within what they said before, ex: stone walls, wood floor, steel doors, etc.

if they want to have 2 doors on the front of their house instead of only 1, then they can do this without asking a staff member.

if they want to change all the walls to wood and the floors to stone would have to be authorized because a wood building might not fit the location where a stone building did.

[imported_Veno]

Didnt we want the design locked after it was placed? Cause then those change tickets would make sense. And yes it would need approval after changing but it would mean 1 less trip to some guys house.


Oh and something else, why do you want to force people to build with specific wall types? I can see that sandstone doesnt fit on ice isle but how will we stop people from placing regular sandstone houses there?

Yes the houses should be realistic but we shouldnt overly limit the possibilities.
However id say that these details, what is ok and what isnt, should be up to the staff member responsible for RP. Who is that btw? Taran?

[imported_Pande]

Didnt we want the design locked after it was placed? Cause then those change tickets would make sense. And yes it would need approval after changing but it would mean 1 less trip to some guys house.

personally i am against locking a design. what happens if someone finds out they made a mistake in the design, or they don't like the design after 1 week and want to change it? making change tickets is just one more thing to script and like i mentioned, people pay a 10k fee for changing something so change tickets are something already done, just in a different sense.

im not sure if you're suggesting people have to get approval for adding a door, but i think that's over doing it. major changes like a new design or changing wall types should require approval, but not minor things like going from 1 door to 2.

the reason i want to restrict specific materials to certain locations is for the RP aspect, i know its possible with custom houses if we make them design approval required, but i don't know if it can be done with the regular houses.

if we do decide to go through with custom houses, then yes, the details will be worked out in depth by staff.

currently Azrael is the Quest/RP staff member, i would say everyone else lends a hand when needed or answers the questions they know the answers to.

[imported_Horacio]

I was just thinking guys...Empty lots may not be as big as an issue as we think on a Sphere rep shard. Its safe to say that if there is no door anyone can just walk onto your empty lot. It has been made clear that there will be no carebear nonsense for housing here and house looting is legal. Yeah of course there will be those *******s who would just put up one wall and a door.

Im not a fan of the fee issue. If the fee keeps growing its just making the player deeper into debt, which will likely set him back from building in the first place. Then what will happen? Will the plot go into foreclosure ?:badgrin:

If you dont want empty plots its simple, just set a timer where the plot would auto destruct if nothing has been build on it within one week. If you want custom housing but no empty plots, then serious measures should be taken to ensure they dont pop up.

Also I love the idea of custom house deeds. Being able to create a house design and sell it to a player for x amount of dollars would create an entirely new trade on the shard. It might be cool that in order to build from a custom deed you would need some trade skills ( ie GM carpentry, tinkering, etc), which makes sense. Perhaps the deed could even be craftable, and NPCs wouldnt sell them.