[imported_Papa Smurf]

Yeah, guards should definately be weaker. There should be some way you can get away from them.

[Eighty Swords]

So wait, people should be allowed to commit crimes?...

[imported_Odium]

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]We wont change how guards or blue town work - nor make it illegal to kill people in blue towns.

However resolving bugs like how a guard can follow you to a red town is something we would sure want to fix.[/COLOR]

[imported_Shade]

So wait, people should be allowed to commit crimes?...

define allowed...

players have the right to make a choice just like in real life. I am not allowed to break into my neighbors house and beat their kid because he is blasting his ©rap music but sometimes I do. Wrong choices have consequences and thats what it all comes down to.

We allow everyone to be a the biggest pain in the ass or the nicest player in the world but they better be ready for what either of those roles come with.

[Eighty Swords]

So in the case of the biggest ass, what they have to be ready for is getting away with murder and not having repercussions beyond their naked player with only 1 fs scroll killed? The cons of this scenario are much worse for the victim...

[imported_Odium]

how can u kill a person with only 1 fs scroll? (everyone start with 100/100/100 stats) :o - now leave this debate please it wont lead anywhere. and before

[smoke]

you're allowed to kill people in blue towns it's what makes UO, UO. any shard you go to you'll see someone dieing in a blue town or people getting upset because they've died overnight. Simple buy a house and you're problems fixed. You can't make the guards instantly or make them even better just because eightyswords just died in town..

[imported_Shade]

it's what makes UO, UO.

I should lock every debate and just put that as the explanation. It seems lately everyone is trying to pick this game apart. All of the features make UO awesome not just some.

[imported_Sindern]

-disregard this-

[Eighty Swords]

how can u kill a person with only 1 fs scroll? (everyone start with 100/100/100 stats) :o - now leave this debate please it wont lead anywhere. and before

Odium you make me think you're really thick headed or are trying to have a 1 way discussion all the time not paying attention to what other people say. Read this thread again: http://www.in-x.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5025

Notice how I say there were 3 people fsing me... 3*42 = 126 damage and that's more then 100 last time I checked which makes me dead...

And yes, I will leave this lecture you are giving me because you are all powerful and will just jail me or something...

[imported_Odium]

So in the case of the biggest ass, what they have to be ready for is getting away with murder and not having repercussions beyond their naked player with only 1 fs scroll killed? The cons of this scenario are much worse for the victim...

im thick headed because you cant separate your topics among eatchoers anymore?

And yes, I will leave this lecture you are giving me because you are all powerful and will just jail me or something...

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]and where the **** did that come from? (when have i ever jailed you? or done anything more than disagree with you regardin this i want instantkillguards to appear topics? (and im not the only one who have been negative towards this idea.. everyone else have too)


let me print something u can find on our rules page:[/COLOR]
"House looting is allowed as long as it is not from the abuse of a bug. This is not a care-bear server. "

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]This and the other 3 or so topics (that are about basically the same 'issue') where you are the only one and i repeat only one who agree with yourself do fall under somethign as i define as care-bear.
I am NOT saying that all care-bear is bad but this is stepping the care-bear a little bit to far.

and dotn tell me i dont read your posts i read yours as carefully as i read everyoneelses. You do nto seem to read mine nor anyone elses tough.
But i can repeat: the cons will be worse in a unguarded area than in a guarded area.[/COLOR]

[Eighty Swords]

im thick headed because you cant separate your topics among eatchoers anymore?

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]This and the other 3 or so topics (that are about basically the same 'issue') where you are the only one and i repeat only one who agree with yourself do fall under somethign as i define as care-bear.
I am NOT saying that all care-bear is bad but this is stepping the care-bear a little bit to far.[/COLOR]

If I write something in one thread that doesn't mean it doesn't apply in other threads on the same topic where I'm talking about my opinions or what happens to me in game or what I see happen to others ingame. Come on Odium, you even answered those other posts so it's not like you didn't see my message. Heck you even said it your self; '3 threads or so on the same topic'. Yet an opinion or stated fact in 1 thread doesn't count in another thread on the same thing??

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]and where the **** did that come from? (when have i ever jailed you? or done anything more than disagree with you regardin this i want instantkillguards to appear topics? (and im not the only one who have been negative towards this idea.. everyone else have too)

let me print something u can find on our rules page:[/COLOR]
"House looting is allowed as long as it is not from the abuse of a bug. This is not a care-bear server. "[/COLOR]

I didn't say you did jail me, I just figured some kind of discipline for continuing to discuss my opinion (read inappropriate behavior) was coming.

When I read carebear I think "no way to kill anyone at all", which isn't the case on INX.

3 naked guys getting together to kill someone in a blue town is just pathetic to me and I don't see how some staff almost encourage it. I hope people at least agree with me that it's dumb it happens... Whether you find that wrong or not is something else...

From all these topics we are discussing, relatively on the exact same topic, I think what it comes down to is that there should be such a thing as a 'legal' kill and an 'illegal' kill. To me, an 'illegal' kill is something in the rules, like you quoted above, and SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE killing a blue player not in a guild that is in a guarded area. That's the reason you stay blue after all; to be safe when running around a town.

A 'legal' kill would then be killing a blue player outside a guarded area, or killing a red player, grey player, or a player in an opposite guild anywhere.