[imported_Lindenwood]

1) Most of the fights I did on IN as a Red were just outside of major cities. Orders would fight to "protect" that city by ridding it of us, and the reds would simply be wishing to kill enemies who came out of the guarded areas.

2) It is natural to leave a situation if you are obviously outnumbered. I am not talking about Reds recalling away when 5 orders come out, or a Blue running into town when 5 Reds run at them. I am talking about strait PvP (fair-ish numbers.. 1v1... 2v2... 3v2... 5v4... etc). It is lame for people to only hide in guarded areas, and then come out only when they have a huge advantage. I did that alot when I was a newb, as did most, but none of us ever considered ourselves "hardcore" PVPers...

3) It is lame that people who do actually want to PvP have to resort to lame tactics to do so, just because everyone else is so lame.

4) I never said or intended to imply that I think all XUO players are "pansies" or anything like that, and stated such intentions two separate times in that post.

5) This only applies to fighters. Peaceful Order (those who support Order and those who fight for it, but don't actually fight themselves) aren't expected to run around fighting all the time, but they are also not given the respect that some seem to demand for simply being Order or Chaos.

6) I hope the guys from XUO and IN who really want to PvP are plentiful enough to be able to do so the old-fashioned way.