02-26-2012, 02:40 PM
I know pretty much anyone who played thirteen years ago has warm and fuzzy memories how good and balanced it was(I'm not speaking of OSI now), but it wasn't, and server(IN or Nos) doesn't really matter. I for one remember that when I started playing on Nos I didn't use assist. These days I'd play it only at internet cafe's because it was the only place that offered somewhat decent connection. Optical fiber at home would worth as much as a car nowdays.
The guys in internet cafe played UO and were ganking in 10-15 ppl group, one of them would loudly countdown from 3 to 1 and then say: "FS!" And they'd all FS same guy. I played quake2 and starcraft there xd. But that looked kind of funny and decided to try it out. One guy from cafe had given me a ready character, bought regs and dragged my FS icon - told me to double click on icon and target on certain person as they countdown. I didn't even knew how to heal up. By the end of week I already could cast Paralyze, use bandages , cast Greater heal spell, Light , Fs and Arrow. But I still used to double click it all. I could've learned how to use UOA(only 2 guys in cafe used it then) but it wasn't necessary, as my knowledge was enough to kill people. Some of them would simply get stucked if you'd cast paralyze on them, not many people would get out of it immediately. For average player these days it would take from five seconds up to five minutes. xd
Right now however, everyone knows every tiny aspect UO, knows how to set up most advanced macros... When last time you've stumble uppon someone who didn't know something of UO?... Every damn player is pontential bug abuser. Get WarMachine on IN1 and he'd get it down right away.
Anyways, what I'm saying is that even if GH scrolls once could intake 6 mana, have 1 second delay and heal like 40hp(Canaris said it was this way), it doesn't mean that it was the most balanced way to go, the skill of people+lack of possibilities in UO options kinda solved the issue, and fights wouldn't go forever. But as people learned to play the balance tweaks were made... Seriously, take like 3 random decent gankers from this server with their macros on razor\inject and take them to IN 1 or NOS.
I'd honestly bet noone there would be able to run from them. Let alone making fair 3v3 or anything. Now everyone has heal macro, reflect macro and a ress macro set on all of his partners, they all carry all necessary types of scrolls, all of the potions and regs ofc. Many also carry recall scrolls\invis pots and have a macros set(at least seperately) on both of it. How often people had it in 2000?
I'm pretty sure it was still the most effective way to kill in groups, because if you could run while casting and FS was dealing at least 35-45 damage on IN, then it still would be the most effective way to kill people.
I'd like to hear some real information on the damage deals\mana intakes\delays on spells\scrolls on IN1... I never played there, but I know that anything we ever liked to do seem so flawless in the memories, especially when it's so fuzzy;p
EDIT: I kinda forgot to comment on the thread. I agree that FS should deal more damage, I however don't agree that it should intake 40 mana. Look Smoke I understand you loved XUO pvp and how balanced it was but trust me by just switching damage deals of two spells u would simply imbalance it. If you tweak the FS damage you also have to tweak the amount of HP gh covers, as well as mana intake for both, also XUO's poison never dealt so much damage, and you have to consider it as well. Right now, it's not the same - but it's alright man, I mean you never played on 0.55a servers if you think this PvP is really different. This PvP sure needs few tweaks but overall when I was joining I expecting it to be much worse man and was VERY surprised it's the way it's now. Mainly because I had wrong impression on Taran on INX, many of us did. I thought he doesn't PvP. I mean, he might not play now but his knowledge of PvP dynamics is extensive + he is actually listens, so if you explain why it's not balanced right now I'm sure he'll consider changing it, but the way you suggest it won't get us anywhere because you just want to make XUO pvp out of it. Not that I don't like XUO pvp anymore, because I do. Because Maka was a great admin and a great PvPer aswell, and he balanced every tiny aspect of it. Maybe if there weren't so much hostility between INers and XUOers in the past(no offence but your crew and yourself also take credit for that xd) the suggestions like yours would have chance to happen, because our two PvP systems are actually pretty same, but well, what done is done.
Anyways, what I suggest is making fs scroll deal a bit more damage ~40. I know many of INers won't like it - but maybe we'd really add another type of lights? "INX" lights or something. It was 4hp and 5mana intake on INX. I think 5hp/6mana intake would fit here pretty well... If theres any objective reason not to do that, I'd like to hear it. Because I might just not see it, and I myself plainly want a balanced 0.51a pvp system...
The guys in internet cafe played UO and were ganking in 10-15 ppl group, one of them would loudly countdown from 3 to 1 and then say: "FS!" And they'd all FS same guy. I played quake2 and starcraft there xd. But that looked kind of funny and decided to try it out. One guy from cafe had given me a ready character, bought regs and dragged my FS icon - told me to double click on icon and target on certain person as they countdown. I didn't even knew how to heal up. By the end of week I already could cast Paralyze, use bandages , cast Greater heal spell, Light , Fs and Arrow. But I still used to double click it all. I could've learned how to use UOA(only 2 guys in cafe used it then) but it wasn't necessary, as my knowledge was enough to kill people. Some of them would simply get stucked if you'd cast paralyze on them, not many people would get out of it immediately. For average player these days it would take from five seconds up to five minutes. xd
Right now however, everyone knows every tiny aspect UO, knows how to set up most advanced macros... When last time you've stumble uppon someone who didn't know something of UO?... Every damn player is pontential bug abuser. Get WarMachine on IN1 and he'd get it down right away.
Anyways, what I'm saying is that even if GH scrolls once could intake 6 mana, have 1 second delay and heal like 40hp(Canaris said it was this way), it doesn't mean that it was the most balanced way to go, the skill of people+lack of possibilities in UO options kinda solved the issue, and fights wouldn't go forever. But as people learned to play the balance tweaks were made... Seriously, take like 3 random decent gankers from this server with their macros on razor\inject and take them to IN 1 or NOS.
I'd honestly bet noone there would be able to run from them. Let alone making fair 3v3 or anything. Now everyone has heal macro, reflect macro and a ress macro set on all of his partners, they all carry all necessary types of scrolls, all of the potions and regs ofc. Many also carry recall scrolls\invis pots and have a macros set(at least seperately) on both of it. How often people had it in 2000?
I'm pretty sure it was still the most effective way to kill in groups, because if you could run while casting and FS was dealing at least 35-45 damage on IN, then it still would be the most effective way to kill people.
I'd like to hear some real information on the damage deals\mana intakes\delays on spells\scrolls on IN1... I never played there, but I know that anything we ever liked to do seem so flawless in the memories, especially when it's so fuzzy;p
EDIT: I kinda forgot to comment on the thread. I agree that FS should deal more damage, I however don't agree that it should intake 40 mana. Look Smoke I understand you loved XUO pvp and how balanced it was but trust me by just switching damage deals of two spells u would simply imbalance it. If you tweak the FS damage you also have to tweak the amount of HP gh covers, as well as mana intake for both, also XUO's poison never dealt so much damage, and you have to consider it as well. Right now, it's not the same - but it's alright man, I mean you never played on 0.55a servers if you think this PvP is really different. This PvP sure needs few tweaks but overall when I was joining I expecting it to be much worse man and was VERY surprised it's the way it's now. Mainly because I had wrong impression on Taran on INX, many of us did. I thought he doesn't PvP. I mean, he might not play now but his knowledge of PvP dynamics is extensive + he is actually listens, so if you explain why it's not balanced right now I'm sure he'll consider changing it, but the way you suggest it won't get us anywhere because you just want to make XUO pvp out of it. Not that I don't like XUO pvp anymore, because I do. Because Maka was a great admin and a great PvPer aswell, and he balanced every tiny aspect of it. Maybe if there weren't so much hostility between INers and XUOers in the past(no offence but your crew and yourself also take credit for that xd) the suggestions like yours would have chance to happen, because our two PvP systems are actually pretty same, but well, what done is done.
Anyways, what I suggest is making fs scroll deal a bit more damage ~40. I know many of INers won't like it - but maybe we'd really add another type of lights? "INX" lights or something. It was 4hp and 5mana intake on INX. I think 5hp/6mana intake would fit here pretty well... If theres any objective reason not to do that, I'd like to hear it. Because I might just not see it, and I myself plainly want a balanced 0.51a pvp system...