[Eighty Swords]

Your asking for a mature discussion 80 and your asking if I want a cookie? Grow the **** up. I never insulted anyone in anyway in my post please quote me on this in this discussion I would love to see it! As far as me not explaining myself about the pvp it does not matter it has already been discussed a millions times in the past and there for people involved in it know what I'm talking about but it will never change I just like putting my two sense into some things at times, since you seem to take everyone's quote and write a story about it. Hence why each of your post are almost a page long.The fact remains that the server is suffering as of right now becase certain people are not willing to deal with certain aspects of the shard, maybe something new needs to happen that has been tried. Such as a pvp change or perhaps a skill gain change who knows. But I for one do not want to see the shard go down because when i get my crap figured out I am looking forward to returning.

I've realized that with you and with this discussion, the possibility for it to be a mature one passed at the point where you started being a downer.

How are you being a downer? By hating on INX features while not trying to improve them. It's fine to say you don't like something, but at least say why. Maybe people will agree with the reasons behind your opinion, and the next thing you know 20 people agree with you and then something can be done about it. But no, that would take more then 10 words and more then a few minutes time to do.

The time for mature discussion with you is gone because you purposely say shit like "and just to piss you off......IM OUT". Great constructive contribution you got there, it really evokes positive emotions in me that want me to better understand your opinion...

Maybe my posts are long, but at least they're trying to get something done other then piss someone off and I take the time to explain my opinion to try and convince others rather then blatantly stating something.

Again no offense but isn't this why we have staff to direct the shard for the better of everyone? Really though I think the majority of us have done that/have tried to. Also I think everyone is open ears to hearing the community suggest something, but please be constructive about it and don't just come in saying "omg skillgain is 2 hard" or "omg pvp sucks". There is no real reason to have this "committee"

Eru's got a point though, we should be more harsh if anything.

Unfortunately that's like saying only staff opinions matter and that no single player has anything of value to contribute.

Personally, I've put so many suggestions up on these forums that get lost in flamewars that the staff don't clean up, or people just say "i don't like it and you're gay" but don't explain what's wrong with it to try and make it a plausible suggestion, or nobody responds to my suggestions that I've lost track of them all. I've even asked Taran to let me be a mod and clean up the forums but he never replied to me.

As far as letting only the staff decide the future of the shard, that would be what, 3 people? I've tried denying it in the past since some people on the staff are my friends and I've been in the shoes of a staff member where more important things in life call me away from a game but there's no denying it... Ginz, Yankovic, Appollo, and Viz are virtual no shows and have been for a while. Although not to the same degree as the last four I mentioned, I haven't seen Hate, Shade, Muto or Tiesto for a while either.

Now before everyone shoots me down, I've argued on behalf of the staff members so many times when others critisize them for being MIA for a week, so don't try and call me ignorant or selfish or any of that crap that usually gets thrown around. I know that most of our staff members are in University, which is intense and requires a lot of dedication, I know some of these guys are in other countries and I applaud each of them for this, but the ones that have been MIA for longer should have stepped down to allow someone else to help in the interim. I'm not expecting a staff member to be logged in 24/7 like some people, I'm not expecting any staff member to give 2 hours of his day every day of the week to the shard either. I'm talking about simple constructive forum posts not getting responses.