[Eighty Swords]

Yeah, a blacksmith doesnt need igs to make armor or anything. And being GM carp obviously removes the logs requirement from crafting furniture

My point that you keep missing is they most likely don't need to carry as much at a time. Are you gonna mass make 100 chairs to sell at a time in the vendor mall or are you going to make maybe 10? That's a lot less resources in comparison to someone making hundreds of daggers to train a skill or someone gathering thousands of ingots so they can train their skills.

Yes those plenty of ways to make cash are by SELLING THEIR CRAFTABLE ITEMS. Ya know, the reason they go through the hellishly long skillgain process to GM the skill to begin with. You act like a crafter just snaps his fingers and magically he has gm in a skill and can instantly make zillions. The fact is, a tailor can sell 2 things right now if he's gm. First, colored cloth of whatever tub he picked at gm, second, carpets. Thats it.

The point I'm trying to convey is now that they went through this process they have the means to make money and don't need another.

The profits you gain from that provided you can even sell anything at all is the smallest fraction of what you dump into the skill to gm it. And every resource gatherer is a crafter as well.

Well it's not my fault someone chose a poor skill to spend their time GMing. Maybe they should have gone for BS or carpentry, or even both. That would let them make all the armor sets, the special weapons, forges, anvils, pentagrams, and other items that will sell for decent or even good profits.

We're just going round in circles here mate. So I'll give you a different example. Say this item cost 25k to craft, you can sell for 30k. Thats a 5k profit obviously. Now say theres an active playerbase of 25 people. You will never be able to sell it to every one of those people, maybe 5 at most would buy (theres lots of crafters, people would just make it themselves etc.) So you make 25k profit over the course of say a week as people shop and eventually buy one. I can make 25k hunting in less then 20 minutes. As can anyone with basic hunting skills. Crafters here have very very few ways to actually make any profit. If smiths were to sell armor based on the amount of ore/igs they had to use to gm smithing, a set of exceptional old copper armor would be like 60k. Crafters gain the skills here because they enjoy doing it and like having the functionality to do things themselves, not to make profit. If they wanted profit they'd keep all their gold instead of dumping into skills which you never seen a true return on.

I get that if my request is implemented as an item this item potentially won't make a huge profit. But as you said earlier, "every resource gatherer is a crafter", well that goes the other way too then where every crafter is a resource gatherer, meaning they probably wont have to go to the vendor mall and buy x amount of different ingredients costing them 25k, they will most likely go and get the resources themselves or they already have a stockpile of all kinds of different resources.

Yes, but I still disagree with you.

Same I think we both went through our opinions pretty thoroughly so it's up to the staff to decide how to add this.