12-19-2008, 02:25 AM
Smurtle Wrote:With this bailout we could fund education for years, help social security, or have anyone thought of proposing a small business bailout system? I just hate the slight shift towards socialism. We're getting the economy of it, but no universal features. I feel slighted.
Well, whether its capitalism, socialism, communism, facism, or free enterprise, they are all essentially the same thing. I mean china isnt any more or less capitalistic then the U.S., the only difference is the amount the state intervenes in enterprise.
For every system of government currently, there is a basic premise they all work upon, which is competition, labor, and money. Every institution whether it be religion, government, corporate, they are all functioning on a need for self preservation. This is absolutely essential in a monetary system. You cannot for example tell your customers that a smaller competitor is making a better product and to buy from them instead, you'd be out of business in a heartbeat. But society is basically sick because of this, we are stopped from true progression by the need for profits. Every institution requires this above anything else, so things like the welfare of people, or environmental impact, etc. These are all secondary; afterthoughts at best.
The reality is we are living in a world of "monetary-ism", just different flavours of it. The need for money is a result of scarcity, in centuries past we have lived with scarcity in a very real way. And a barrier to resources was required. But our technology has come so far so quickly that we have missed the realisation that we no longer need the monetary system. If people were to actually stop and think about what makes their lives better, they would quickly come to the conclusion that it isnt money, you cant eat money. It isnt politics, all the state can ever do is make laws, establish budgets, and declare war. Its definitely not religion, all they do is provide intangible emotional solace for anyone seeking it.
What makes our lives better is technology. Always has been, and always will be. And with the technology we have available to us today, we could literally feed, provide shelter and clothes, good education systems, healthcare, for everyone on the planet in environmentally friendly and ultimately sustainable ways. Without money. But in our current system, theres no profit in doing that. I mean an oil compary isnt going to want electric cars on the road, because their institution then becomes less relevant to society, which is why major oil companies own all the battery patents which would allow for electric cars that can do 100mph and last 300 miles per recharge.
The local electric company isnt going to want you to know that if you were to put up wind farms in just 2 of the U.S.'s 50 states you could power the entire country indefinitely in a sustainable way for an initial cost of minimal resources.
See in the monetary system we all live under, abundance is the worst possible thing that can happen. You dont pay for air because its so abundant it would be pointless to try and charge people for it. However, the more scarce something is, the more valuble it becomes, so our system is focused on injecting that scarcity falsely so as to improve the one thing that matters, profits.
"Greed and Competition are not the result of immutable human temperment... Greed and fear of scarcity are in fact being created and amplified... The direct consequence is that we have to fight with each other in order to survive." - Bernard Lietaer (Founder of the EU currency system)
Also, I should point out that it is literally an impossibility to have true democracy in a monetary system. People in positions of differential advantage will always win the elections, reguardless of their ability to fill the position. A quick look at the list of campaign contributors for both Barack Obama and John McCain reveals exactly who has bought and paid for your president. And therefor whos interests are in fact being represented by that office.
The corruption we all see from individuals, corporations, and governements is a direct result of money, and the need to compete for it. Without money, the word corruption would not exist, this abberant socially disruptive behavior is a creation of our own neglect.
Ultimately the best possible thing that could happen is everyone finally realises that the one hope humanity has for a sustainable positive future is a resource based economy. We cant ever truly move forward into the civilized world until this happens. However it wont ever happen until everything we have built on the monetary system falls apart. Totall economic collapse is the only thing that will make anyone wake up enough to impliment the solutions required.
So knowing this I actually see whats happening just now in a positive light. All these companies begging for bailouts. A fractional reserve banking system which was always known would eat itself to death. Governments waging war over irrelevant resources they dont actually need, so as to benefit their corporations.
I just smile now, because a crisis point is imminent. The corporate and governmental powers that be will attempt to use it to solidify a world government and currency, which will undoubtably be based around the same economic system which has just failed. The first step will be merging the dollar with the canadian dollar and peso to create the Amero, this is already well underway, google it. Then the merging of that Amero with the Euro, then the asian and south american currencies will be assimilated.
But we have something now which has never existed in history, a way to communicate effectively with everyone on the planet, to share information, to learn anything you want with a few hours of research. I'm hopeful the internet will allow us to transcend the paralizing social structures we've created and come out with something better then anyone could imagine
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J