06-25-2011, 02:21 AM
You guys really need to think about what you are asking for. What Taran has said is totally true.
It would be better if players stated in a coherent way what direction they want things to go. That would be much more helpful to the staff I'm sure. I think you need to ask yourselves the following:
1) What is more important, balanced 1 vs 1 or ability for average PvPers to fight outnumbered? You can't have both, it just won't work, if you can heal the damage output of 2 or more players then the damage output of 1 player will never be enough to kill a good PvPer. It's a shame that I haven't really played UO for 5-6 years or I would have been happy to load up on the original IN1 so that Taran and I could demonstrate how wrong you are about being able to survive against 2 or more players
2) Do you want to recreate IN1 accurately? If so you need to accept that reliance on critical hits is part of the system, as is scrolling and indeed relying on random/critical healing as well (bandages). Even if this is what you want, IN changed a lot over the years. There was the wand-spam and heavy hitting vanq weapons era, then there was the abundant scrolling era with abundant easy invul and vanq drops (although GH scrolls used to only heal 25-30hp at most and most people used In Mani and bandages) and then later there was the (imo badly broken) era of 50hp GH scrolls and overpowered craftables. So, be specific, which do you want? I hope to hell it isn't the stuff from the end of IN1 because that is why the PvP and economy on IN1 died.
My personal feeling is that you are better off moving on from IN1 and allowing the system to adopt new mechanics to make things more interesting and skillful. There are changes that we would have loved to do on IN1 but were handicapped by the limits of 0.51a Sphere. Rather than perpetuating the worst parts of Sphere you should leave them behind, take the parts that you enjoyed: being a jack-of-all-trades with no skill cap, the cool stuff like Stangs, the history and so on. But let the broken crap like the rubbish scroll mechanics, bugs and broken spells and skills be a thing of the past.
Note: I am not staff on this IN, I was staff on the original IN, just thought I'd clarify because my post might make it sound otherwise, I do not speak for the staff here, but I do think you are putting them in an impossible position by asking them to make changes that will suck and also some of you have very selective/warped memory of how things worked on the original IN.
It would be better if players stated in a coherent way what direction they want things to go. That would be much more helpful to the staff I'm sure. I think you need to ask yourselves the following:
1) What is more important, balanced 1 vs 1 or ability for average PvPers to fight outnumbered? You can't have both, it just won't work, if you can heal the damage output of 2 or more players then the damage output of 1 player will never be enough to kill a good PvPer. It's a shame that I haven't really played UO for 5-6 years or I would have been happy to load up on the original IN1 so that Taran and I could demonstrate how wrong you are about being able to survive against 2 or more players
2) Do you want to recreate IN1 accurately? If so you need to accept that reliance on critical hits is part of the system, as is scrolling and indeed relying on random/critical healing as well (bandages). Even if this is what you want, IN changed a lot over the years. There was the wand-spam and heavy hitting vanq weapons era, then there was the abundant scrolling era with abundant easy invul and vanq drops (although GH scrolls used to only heal 25-30hp at most and most people used In Mani and bandages) and then later there was the (imo badly broken) era of 50hp GH scrolls and overpowered craftables. So, be specific, which do you want? I hope to hell it isn't the stuff from the end of IN1 because that is why the PvP and economy on IN1 died.
My personal feeling is that you are better off moving on from IN1 and allowing the system to adopt new mechanics to make things more interesting and skillful. There are changes that we would have loved to do on IN1 but were handicapped by the limits of 0.51a Sphere. Rather than perpetuating the worst parts of Sphere you should leave them behind, take the parts that you enjoyed: being a jack-of-all-trades with no skill cap, the cool stuff like Stangs, the history and so on. But let the broken crap like the rubbish scroll mechanics, bugs and broken spells and skills be a thing of the past.
Note: I am not staff on this IN, I was staff on the original IN, just thought I'd clarify because my post might make it sound otherwise, I do not speak for the staff here, but I do think you are putting them in an impossible position by asking them to make changes that will suck and also some of you have very selective/warped memory of how things worked on the original IN.
Carding/Garrik/Whatever