[imported_Lindenwood]

To my understanding IN-X is a mix between IN-R's slow gain and XUO's fast skill gain. That means we have to find the median in the skill gains.

That is where you might be confused. This shard has the "look and feel" of the Imagine Nation shads, but the PvP system of the XOU shards. Skill gain is very much included in the "look and feel" catagory, so it has been and will be based primarily off what IN had. The staff is going by feel on this and needs to be aware of how the gain is going.

What have you done? Attempted to turn my civilized thread into a flame war?

Hmm, I invite any outsider to this thread to honestly tell me that my posts have been less civilized than yours. In fact, if anything, Ive pointed out all the "uncivilized" bits in your posts.

You give us these ballpark figures on what you've done after 2 hours of macroing at or around 50 skill. The amount of time that most players are stuck at 50 skill is an insignificant fraction of the total time it takes to get to 100.

Again, why do you think that "life starts at 100?" Ive explained many times all the things that can be done when you have less. This is obvously what you believe and you are going to stick with it to whatever end, so apparently nobody will be able to help you there.

You make a nice long, well-thought out post about why we are wrong, but you don't actually try to fix anything by posting actual constructive shit.

Actually, EVERY one of my posts in this thread has been constructive. EVERY one of my posts in this thread has been me trying to solve SOME problem. I suggest you read them again to see if you can catch all the suggestions, advice, and valid points of support for this side of the debate Ive given.

Well lets see... You use it during combat maybe? Like... a lot? Yes it should be worked for, no one is disagreeing with you there. The problem lies in that it is unbalanced from the other skills. Look at the healing skill. I'm under the assumption (this might be wrong, but it's probably close, if not dead on) that healing takes just as long as magery. For example, every successful heal = 1 successful cast. Now it is a well known fact that healing takes a very long time to GM. I've honestly been macroing it since monday, and I am at 85.0. That is slow by most peoples standards. Think about what it took to heal 24/7 from monday... A LOT OF BANDAGES. However, it's not really a big deal since cloth is relatively cheap, and we can re-use the bandages by washing them. Compare this system to magery, where we have to cast and EAT the regs completely. Not to mention the downtime where we have to get our mana back. So once we're done macroing for the night, we have to go and BUY MORE regs for approximately (2000casts/night * 5gp) 10k gold. Do you not see how this is unbalanced?

I apologize if I confused you there. A combat skill is one of the skills that is listed in default under the "combats" tab in your skills list. That, at least, is how the GMs have defined it. Healing and Magery are not "combat" skills. Yes, they are used in combat, but they are also used in other things. Then again, I guess Alchemy is a combat skill since you use and can even create new potions during combat?

Magery is THE most valuable skill in the game. Period. It should be right up there with crafts. The keyword in that first sentence is valuable. Acheive a high magery skill should have significant value.

Healing plays the largest factor in surving any length of time in combat. Thus, it has great value. Again, because of its high value, it should be dificult to acheive perfection in it.

We're gonna have a lot of fun.

Ive actually been having tons of fun. It doesn't sound like you've had any, and possibly won't until you acheive your goals. I am truely sorry that you can't find some enjoyment in this game, and I hope all this torment you are putting yourself through does eventually pay off.

I'm glad you had that memory. This isn't INR though, no matter how much u cry.

Cry? What? Did you just pull that out of a hat to try to offend me? Where have I even hinted that I might be "crying?" If anything, most of your posts have been you "crying" about how "oh so hard" everything is and that somebody should make it easier for you.

I really don't think you should tell me what to do, ok? The life analogy is so flawed that it is laughable...

Really? Hmm, lets look into this.

This is a damn computer game.

EXACTLY. If it is just a computer game, why are you throwing such a fit over it? Arent computer games supposed to be made for our enjoyment? It seems you are enjoying this game the least out of everyone else on the shard? You say you can't enjoy it without being GM in all the skills that are important to you. That, again, is as ridiculous as somebody in real life saying they can't have fun without being rich.

Also, I've already been out hunting, but pking without high magery is just a waste of time, imo - and you aren't going to change my mind. I'm getting gm magery and it's that simple...

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!! It IS that simple! Just GM your magery and stop whining about how hard it is! Nobody ever told you to not GM magery, in fact, everyone has been saying to just go through with it and be proud of your accomplishments. I think you might be finally getting it, even though maybe just in some small part of your mind, since you still seem very focused on arguing.

The only drawback is that the skill gain system is flawed, despite what your petty-skilled small sampled 'experiments' show.

Hmm.

They weren't "experiments." Again, I am not at all focused on exact numbers and proving to everyone that those numbers are not what I wanted to see. I posted the skills I have gained just for a bit more information in this thread. I rounded some up and some down (no more than about .3 though), because I didn't remember exactly where I started with them (because again, I am more focused on enjoying the game than on exact numbers that I can throw around). Also, I posted my "petty-skilled" examples to encourage people with lower skills that it really isn't that difficult to get up an a level that survival is no longer a big concern.

Ya, so?

You keep talking as if it is just you and a handful of poor newbies against the huge "Vet Empire" in a battle for Middle-Earth. My point was that the vets that fit your descriptions are actually few and far-between.

Not at all. The only thing that means is that my computer has sat longer than someone who is actually playing. Despite what you think, a HUGE % of the shard is macroing 24/7, like robots. It just doesn't make sense to me that everyone should waste so much time to getting what that huge % of players consider, the business.

On the unimportant skills, that is exactly what it means. On the IMPORTANT skills, the ones we are actually discussing, one should be very proud that they were able to save up and spend 100k+ on regs to GM magery, or that they were able to stay focused enough on healing to fully GM it quickly.

And yeah, macroing is normal. However, it doesn't mean it shouldnt take work.