[imported_Kano]

You're right, everyone wants to do NOTHING but PvP. Oh wait, you're looking at it completely from your prospective.

And I apologize if I struck a nerve. Wait... actually, I don't. You completely overreacted to an arbitrary, intentionally exaggerated number I through out to make a point. I can tell you are quite immature and lack experience in debate, so I am not suprised.

But, does anyone else see what I mean. Nobody is going to take you seirously if you keep acting like you know EVERYTHING, that YOUR way is the ONLY way. You kids have turned this 100% into a political debate, so this is now going 100% down the drain. You have no more points to argue, but for some reason, whether it be some complex you've got, or your own insecurities, you feel like you need to continue, saying whatever you can say, in hopes of everyone finally bowing down to your feet and meeting your every demand.

I missed this post yesterday, but whether or not you still feel you need to talk to me so aggressively, you did definately strike one of my nerves, and I will not forget it.


Ah, I guess I spoke to soon. You do occasionally show pockets of reserve, but apparently they only last so long, and your natural urges to make up for your own shortcomings through condescention again take over.

Don't really know why that offended you. Its kind of lolwhatever at this point.

I have no idea how long it will take to GM, nor did I ever really care to ponder it. I have never been one to whine and complain when things are difficult, especially if I wont face any more difficulty than anyone else to come. Additionally, I have always played on shards where every accomplishment was appreciated, not just a number to occasionally reference. Thus, instead of whining about how much work you will have to do, either just do it and know the reward will be worth it, or don't and leave. You are very obviously spoiled and don't know it yet. That is fine. There are plenty of shards that cater to people like you. However, this is not one, and it will not become one, no matter how hard to cry.

To my understanding IN-X is a mix between IN-R's slow gain and XUO's fast skill gain. That means we have to find the median in the skill gains. The staff is going by feel on this and needs to be aware of how the gain is going. Several times I've posted logs of my macroing results, specifically saying how I had macroed and any further information. I also posted my opinion about my thoughts on the current skill gain. What have you done? Attempted to turn my civilized thread into a flame war? You give us these ballpark figures on what you've done after 2 hours of macroing at or around 50 skill. The amount of time that most players are stuck at 50 skill is an insignificant fraction of the total time it takes to get to 100. You make a nice long, well-thought out post about why we are wrong, but you don't actually try to fix anything by posting actual constructive shit.

1) How is magery a combat skill? Like others have said, it is probably the single most useful skill in the game, to ANYONE. And, because of that usefulness and desirability, it must be WORKED FOR to be acheived.

Well lets see... You use it during combat maybe? Like... a lot? Yes it should be worked for, no one is disagreeing with you there. The problem lies in that it is unbalanced from the other skills. Look at the healing skill. I'm under the assumption (this might be wrong, but it's probably close, if not dead on) that healing takes just as long as magery. For example, every successful heal = 1 successful cast. Now it is a well known fact that healing takes a very long time to GM. I've honestly been macroing it since monday, and I am at 85.0. That is slow by most peoples standards. Think about what it took to heal 24/7 from monday... A LOT OF BANDAGES. However, it's not really a big deal since cloth is relatively cheap, and we can re-use the bandages by washing them. Compare this system to magery, where we have to cast and EAT the regs completely. Not to mention the downtime where we have to get our mana back. So once we're done macroing for the night, we have to go and BUY MORE regs for approximately (2000casts/night * 5gp) 10k gold. Do you not see how this is unbalanced?

And, I can VERY easily make 15k a day hunting, by myself. Hell, last night I made almost 7k hunting by myself for about an hour! That doesn't include the weapons, armor, and scrolls I kept that I could have sold. Hell, I could sell all my armor and weapons right now and easily make 10-15k, just at the vendors! So, if I hunted for, say, 2 hours a day, that is an easy 10k at least that Id have. That is enough to buy 1000 regs which, at about one spell per ~30 seconds (with my macro at least, which I admit isn't hardcore by any means, but it gets the job done), would take a little over 8 hours to finish. Thus, I hunt 2 hours a day, and macro all night. Id estimate it would take me 3-4 weeks to finish magery if I stuck to that plan (which again, is nowhere near as hardcore as you can get, but for me it is doing me better than nothing).


1) "Daunting?" I would definately not call that "daunting." Besides, once I get in the 60ish range with magery, I will likely start running around PvPing and PKing as well.

We're gonna have a lot of fun.

Hell, on INR, I remember after about a week, there was one guild that had done almost nothing but macro magery, and they all ran around with 60+ magery, and it was VERY tough to stay alive when fighting them. And this is actually counting fair fights (typically 3 v 3, IIRC), not ganking. We all had roughly the same combat skills, (around what I started with), with a few of us having maybe higher swords and healing from a few extra nights of macroing. Despite the low skill level, it was still pretty fun.

I'm glad you had that memory. This isn't INR though, no matter how much u cry.

The point of that little story was to explain that maybe you and the other "Hardcore Killaz" in this thread should band together and just go fight. Saying you can't have fun without all your combats GMed is like saying you can't have fun IRL unless you are rich. If someone really believed that, Id feel sorry for them for all the small things they are missing. And I say the same to you; why don't you go out and at least TRY to have a little fun in the game AS IS before complaining to everyone that life sucks because you don't get everything you want.

I really don't think you should tell me what to do, ok? The life analogy is so flawed that it is laughable... This is a damn computer game. Also, I've already been out hunting, but pking without high magery is just a waste of time, imo - and you aren't going to change my mind. I'm getting gm magery and it's that simple... The only drawback is that the skill gain system is flawed, despite what your petty-skilled small sampled 'experiments' show.

2) Did you not see the relatively small amount of people that actually transferred with a significant amount of skills?

Ya, so? They should have a fair skill gain rate too, shouldn't they? There are plenty of skills that take a LONG time to GM... Magery shouldn't be one.

3) From what you guys tell me, it really sounds like the "hardcore PvPers" are really busting their asses to get ahead of the game. Your combat abilities (based on your character's skills) as they sit are actually higher than most transferred characters, ESPECIALLY me. There are probably few "vets" with overall combat skills much higher than yours, so you are almost ready to start fighting them. So, on the 7th day, starting from scratch, you could already almost hold your own in a combat environment... that doesn't sound too bad at all, to me. Now, what might take your overage player months to accomplish, you will have done in a mere two weeks. I think that is something to be pretty proud of, isn't it?

Not at all. The only thing that means is that my computer has sat longer than someone who is actually playing. Despite what you think, a HUGE % of the shard is macroing 24/7, like robots. It just doesn't make sense to me that everyone should waste so much time to getting what that huge % of players consider, the business.