[sm0ke]

hey sup both homos hope to see u in game and chat a while its been a long time i hope both of u are doing good in life :E

Im chaoticz in game btw (Hard to guess i know... xD )

nice your all coming back juanin etc ?

[Thenu]

I'd love to make VV a bit more "orderly" but at this time we've got a few neutral guilds that help out reds and or attack my guild, R.I.P/Pure/Legion even the once order guild DOOM has attacked us, when they've had the chance to, namely when they have reds around to help them out.

Please get your facts straight before making a statement like that, Pure doesnt help anyone out but their mates (no reds amoung those).

[Felonious]

My impression of order is that they are never, ever, murderers. This game doesn't really have set boundaries, so I'm just speaking general archetypes. Order can certainly hunt down and kill murderers, and defend themselves when they're attacked, but they don't attack the innocent until they have proof that the person themselves are up to no good. If you are a PKing order guild you might as well just be a separate chaos faction.

There's no benefit from being good though, is there? No incentive. No religious beliefs, no rich kings backing you up, no families to defend, and hell you get more loot by liek pking teh newbs LOL11!!!11 so why be blue when it means most likely you have to sit and wait to be attacked, especially on this server when the odds are already HUGELY stacked against you and most likely the chaos guilds will rally against you since they would now have a common enemy instead of the constant hilarious infighting they do now? Most of the players on this server are chaos minded, in that they don't want to have to deal with so many rules they just want to fight whenever they want. And that's not intended as an insult, hell, I just play this game for the hijinks of stealing as much as I can so I'm really no different, that's just how it is.

The incentive to being Chaos/pk is to take what you want, when you want it. There's no similar benefit to being order/blue, except sitting in town. It's just like in most movies, the good guys are boring and the bad guys are the bad asses. No one wants to play a boring character.

[Azzo]

I think order needs over a certain number of people in it before it becomes more worthwhile joining it (working on the assumption that you only attack chaos). Once you have 5-6 order guilds you now are more likely to have allies who aren't going to attack you just hanging around. Strength in numbers kinda thing. Balancing out chaos who kill and take anything, who always have to be watching their backs.

[Camila]

My impression of order is that they are never, ever, murderers. This game doesn't really have set boundaries, so I'm just speaking general archetypes. Order can certainly hunt down and kill murderers, and defend themselves when they're attacked, but they don't attack the innocent until they have proof that the person themselves are up to no good. If you are a PKing order guild you might as well just be a separate chaos faction.

There's no benefit from being good though, is there? No incentive. No religious beliefs, no rich kings backing you up, no families to defend, and hell you get more loot by liek pking teh newbs LOL11!!!11 so why be blue when it means most likely you have to sit and wait to be attacked, especially on this server when the odds are already HUGELY stacked against you and most likely the chaos guilds will rally against you since they would now have a common enemy instead of the constant hilarious infighting they do now? Most of the players on this server are chaos minded, in that they don't want to have to deal with so many rules they just want to fight whenever they want. And that's not intended as an insult, hell, I just play this game for the hijinks of stealing as much as I can so I'm really no different, that's just how it is.

The incentive to being Chaos/pk is to take what you want, when you want it. There's no similar benefit to being order/blue, except sitting in town. It's just like in most movies, the good guys are boring and the bad guys are the bad asses. No one wants to play a boring character.

This is a great point. I have personally always liked order better (just my personal preference I guess), and as soon as I am ready I will join order even if chaos offers more benefits. The fact that 90% of the world is chaos will certainly make it more challenging, but also more fun I hope (perhaps I will change my mind once I start getting PKd at every corner lol). I am also hopeful that more people will join order and the game will be more fun once there is a better balance between the two forces. I do think that perhaps there should be an incentive for being order and not chaos. Perhaps we should give to order guilds the possibility to pledge to protect a given area, and the members of the guild would get paid a daily or weekly wage for their services. I am not talking about a huge sum, just an incentive that could also be flexible and adjusted periodically depending on the demand and offer of protection.

[Felonious]

I would have an alternate character who is not such a blatant bastard in an Order guild too, but so far I can't say I've seen an Order guild that truly touts the banner of righteousness. That's probably because they're surrounded on all sides by eager PK's who will jump the gun and gank before anyone can even get started (Therefore discouragement follows) and so the few Order guilds are naturally super defensive and wary, jumping at the slightest pickpocket or innocent stabbing. *Whistles*

I don't have time to manage a guild myself, but that's why I stick to petty thievery.

[Vulcan]

If I didn't have 2 characters already I would make an order guild.