[imported_Hilbert]

Oh , and taran i realy dont mean to piss you off or dissrespect youre work, you did a great job . but im onley saying what makes oure playerbase dropping. and you probeble did some very good things with the server. and for that i respect you. but i want to give you a suggestion. try listen to the players often more. make a ingame voting poll. so that players can tell what the server is lacking or what they dont aprove. so you can do more good work then you've already done mostly.

[imported_p!nk dr@g0n]

I just think that it is better to have a game plan before you run into the burning building. Talking to much about solutions do tend to put acting on ice, but fact is, I do not think we know what's right. We have an idea of what we think is wrong, but that doesn't really solve anything.

Best solution I can sum up, while knowing what taran feels about skill gains, is to hire more staff and make things a little easier. What that entails, I have no clue, but it cannot be to easy either. Maybe make more newbie friendly guides, that PvE/M school and some ready to use macros that just glares you in the face as soon as you long in.

It's just hard for me to understand cause when I made my char, skill gain was easy enough, or at least fair. When people now come and say that it's too hard, after being made easier, I start to wonder if it really is too hard, or if people are just trying to take the whole hand.

The problem is that the problem has become pretty urgent... So whatever you do, do it fast.
And yes, it might have been easy for you, but you have played this game for 10+ years and are good at it. Not everyone can be compared to you.
Besides, the changes don't even have to be permanent, just until the player base is back up. Because with a good player base and active staff, new players will actually have a reason to put the needed time and effort into getting started here. And since the changes are non permanent, you can practically play around and try out what works... We've already come to the conclusion that doing nothing doesn't work, don't you agree?

[imported_voodoo]

Have you seen anyone refuting the fact that the numbers have gone down, anywhere? The whole discussion is about that simple fact and how to turn it around.

it seems ppl choose 2 ignore what they dont wana read...theres been 5 or more post about ppl complainin bout things and how to try and turn player base around..Out of the 5 or more post its been like 15 or more vs like 3 ppl but anyone who can do something bout it wants to see that

First of all the staff shouldent be talking bout how they want the shard to be..I Mean all staff.. am sorry but witout players there no shard..You guys need to listen to the majority of people...

The economy sucks because there 5 ppl who hunt..There no point hunting...hunting sucks unless you know a few tricks and all the ppl who know them arent giving them out.. Extrems are actualy shit to hunt..Also i know am not speaking for myself when i say this but.. Am not going to waste my time hunting for hours or spend 40345035 years gettin money to gms skills when the shard loses 5 ppl a week. B4 u guys try n make ppl spend 3423424 years gettin skills you need a playerbase to do so..As of right now there no goal to wana hunt or train skills.

Taran am sorry but wtf if 80% of players say something is hard or it needs a change why do u say its staying like that? do u want a server with 10 people..

And honeslty am going to get hated for this but when it comes down to it both In and Xuo fail and all of u need to understand that..if it wasnt so we woudent of merged.. and there wouldent of been 1-4 of the same server.. so when it comes down to it even with the merge stuff from both shards need to change even if its little changed.. And i mean everything..pvp,hunting,skills and whatever els.. WE HAVE GOOD ADMINS N SCRIPTOS WHO DO TRY ...but when it comes down to it there stubborn and cant accept a change..and that will cause this server to die just as others did unless they can start to understand majority>>>>>>>> thats how things work if 90% of ppl want something and 10% and the staff agrees with 10% ... the staff can host for the 10% while everyone els leaves...Taran , shade and Maka u guys need to listen to majority even if its ltl tweaks to skills , pvp and hunting do it...u guys workd hard to bring server up dont let it die cuz u guys are stubborn

[imported_Silverwolf]

[quote=p!nk dr@g0n] it might have been easy for you, but you have played this game for 10+ years and are good at it. Not everyone can be compared to you.QUOTE]

I think he hit the ball on that one. Look back at everyones post, everyones talking about how "it only took me 48 hours to GM 6 skills, it isnt hard"

BUDDY, are you that new guy who just walked into a stranger shard?

The guy walks in, doesnt know what to expect, doesnt know what to raise, what the main city is, what anything is... now take it from a newbies point of view...

Point 1

Dont try to compare yourselves with new people;

-Why are you assuming everyone knows to login with Razor, and knows how to use it. or Injection, or any other third party program.

-Why are you assuming every newbie(by newbie i mean new guy) knows as much as you do when it comes to raising skills

-Why are you assuming that everyone newbie has 10+ years experience in the game and knows exactly how to start off and what to gm.

Point 2

If tomorrow a new guy walked in and asked me how can I make decent money to get started, I would have to tell him to go kill what? I DONT EVEN KNOW. Go into Destard and hunt down the dungeon with overcrowded dragons?


that's the only logical place I would say, id never recommend the newbie dungeon cause its a complete waste of time with the loot you get. and besides destard, all the other dungeons are mazes and takes 3 people to do lol.(people WITH experience, notice how these 3 guys already know about the system here, were talking about the newbies) dungeons dont have rez spots, certain places in dungeons if you die, you cannot go back because while your dead you cannot teleport over a certain spot, its fukin ridiculous if you ask me.

Dungeons are overwhelming and there isnt dungeons where you can walk in comfertably, kill decent monsters, have decent pvp action. I used to love pking in dungeons, its god damn impossible and believe it or not, just not being able to kill people while hunting, makes a HUGE impact overall, thats one of the many fun times ive had ganking. This makes hunting easy, not that the monsters are easy, but ANY HUNTER out there can honestly say 90% of the time he isnt scared to get pked by a player(and dont u guys fukin lie its true) and thats a major problem

Point 3

Lack of events.

I'll give you a real quick example...

Sunday, around 6PM EST if im correct... The shard was DEEEEEAAAAAADDDDDD,, and by dead i mean no soul walking around in britian, AFKERS in pits, no one anywhere, no one dueling in the arenas, you can hear a pinfall...

BOOM, MUTO pops up and hosts a 1vs1 tourney... within 10 minutes, there was 20+ people who came outta no where, and there was an increase of player base of minimum 10 people...

After the event was over, there was still some activity and due to active players we managed to get some duels in the arena and such, untill it died two hours later... you can say this is a lack of people in the EST time zone, or you can say its due to lack of events?? thats what I believe it is.

PEOPLE STILL DONT GET IT, YOU DONT NEED TO HAVE "PVP EVENTS" IT CAN BE ANY EVENT, BUT WE NEED A MINIMUM OF 5 EVENTS (TO BE PERFECT) DURING THE DAY

We can have RANDOM Events, but damnit, just have events... examples;

-cock fighting
-wrestling
-horse racing
-mazes
-invisible paths that lead to a prize, dunno what its called(where you must retrace steps and place things cause if you step on a tile you get teled back)
-1vs1 tournies
-2vs2 tournies
-Capture the event (saw this on a server where you have 2-3 teams each start off on a boat and head towards an island and try to take it over)
-Monster Bashs
-Occlo Invasions (a monster takes over the town, pvp or no pvp(gm chooses) and we take it down.
-treasure hunts
-ETC... (people give your advice on new events, these came from the top of my head) theres many more possibilites, and less repetitive events.

This server is lacking creativity, its too stuck on the "players must entertain themselves motive, its all wrong... Forget the skill gain and shit...

If theres events going on, theres people active, and theres going to be many more interested to join... if there's an event going on that you dont like, you know that theres one next that your interested in, so you will go hunt/pvp in the meanwhile...

we need the staff to keep us into it, Kandorin I dont wanna hear your BS about players must entertain themselves, youve repeated yourself 10 times over. They will entertain themselves when theres people to ENTERTAIN WITH.

Right now we need a boost that only staff members can provide. Not to mention ANSWER OUR DAMN PAGES!!!!!! this is the most aggrivating thing ever, not seeing a gm on to help. we need that, this is the MAIN MAIN MAIN problem...

im done

[imported_Taran]

Holy shit, it's been said several times that we are looking into the staff issue, could we drop that now?!

[imported_Tiesto]

Right now we need a boost that only staff members can provide. Not to mention ANSWER OUR DAMN PAGES!!!!!! this is the most aggrivating thing ever, not seeing a gm on to help. we need that, this is the MAIN MAIN MAIN problem...

What pages issue? Im online right now and there are 0 pages and every time i get on i make the list go to 0 i only leave the pages that are requesting Taran or someone specific since obviously only them can asnwer .. have you requested help lately? cause i haven't seen a page from you buddy

[imported_Silverwolf]

What pages issue? Im online right now and there are 0 pages and every time i get on i make the list go to 0 i only leave the pages that are requesting Taran or someone specific since obviously only them can asnwer .. have you requested help lately? cause i haven't seen a page from you buddy

Lmao, so were always talking about the present when we speak. you didnt see a page from me because IM NOT PLAYING. im at work. Yesterday though, When technique was stuck in the duel stones for 35 minutes and no gm was on to fix this bug, thats when we needed you. I paged 2-3 times yesterday(2-3 DIFFERENT TIMES), and not one of mine were answered because no staff was on.

I know the staff issue is being looked into, Im speaking about events though. Till this day, players and staff both are saying how we dont NEED staff to entertain us..

WE NEED STAFF TO ENTERTAIN US.

unless your like Kandorin and your living in the 1995 ERA, when UO was at its hype.

That is untill we have a stable high player base, if we ever do.

[imported_Murry]

Well after my eyes stopped watering from reading all the posts here I only have to say that im not going anywhere. I pvm only and I make a ton of money doing it. I don't think the skills need to be touched at all. I get pked all over the place in all types of dungons so I can't say that pkers don't go in dungons cause they are to hard. Heck a couple of times I ran into pkers at the end of dungons getting mounts. If we lowered skills to get to a higher player base there will be a big problem when they raise them back up,
No one is going to join a shard that has a 100 playerbase and 85 people on the shard have a skill of 4900. What the hell is the new guy going to do when he finds out that it's going to take him a year to get to that of constant macroing..
Leave.. That's what he will do. Then the player base will drop again because everyone will be tired of doing the same thing over and over with the same people and no new people on the shard.
What im saying basicly is no one will ever be happy. One person want's one thing and somone else wants something diffrent. It's the fact of life. Name one town,city or country with all the people in it that love the taxes and think they are perfect and love the roads because there is never a pot hole in them...
We all need to realize there is no such thing as a perfect shard. If you want a easy pvp shard that gives all skills and wepons for free then join it!! I promise you after a couple of weeks or months playing it your going to be board as hell and not play there anymore...
I honestly think the only thing we need is prob more staff and taran says he's working on it. Everything else I pretty much up in the air about. Except for the skills I think they are fine. Except fishing been working on that for what seems like forever to gm...

Im not here to get flamed this is just my opinion take it as you wish cause I know everyone will take it diffrently. I know I still want my taxes lowered and the roads around here suck ass...
as far as gm's go they all have a life that doesn't revolve around staffing uo. They are all doing a great job with what time they have to be on. More would help and that's in the works. So I look forward to seeing new faces in the players and staff aswell. Thank you all and have a good night. Murry has now left the building..:neutral::neutral:

[imported_Yankovic]

I think people are a bit too negative at this point. I (and this is my personal (meaning not staff) opinion) would never expect the shard to keep 100 average players after it went out of beta. Lots of people came to check it out but just to see what's going on and to have a little bit of fun. Fact is that we had 10 (maybe 15) players before we went out of beta and we have 50 - 60 now.

Yes of course, not everything is perfect and there are things to be looked into. And yes, we could have had 70 - 80 players instead of 60. But even with 60 people I usually see action going on. If there aint an event, I usually see people ganking or hunting.

That some staff (including me) isn't that active at this moment is a valid point, and it is said that it is beeing looked into. But I don't get that when we had that 100 players when we went out of beta everything was fine and great. And now it seems that the whole shard just sucks and that everything should be changed.

[imported_Kamos]

Look back at everyones post, everyones talking about how "it only took me 48 hours to GM 6 skills, it isnt hard"

BUDDY, are you that new guy who just walked into a stranger shard?

The guy walks in, doesnt know what to expect, doesnt know what to raise, what the main city is, what anything is... now take it from a newbies point of view...

Then skillgain is not the problem, lack of knowledge is. That just means newbies need more information on how to train their skills better. Better skillgain would only be needed if it took too long because of the skillgain, and that is not the problem as was already pointed out, lack of knowledge is.

For thinking that's what we're asking for, you've proven you don't read any of the posts and that you are retarded. You have nothing to do in this thread, please leave

It was just a poke of fun at other remarks taken to the extreme. Like these:

All new players treated like shit

Its incredeble, how like always you guys **** the playerbase up again

staff doesnt hear us

Thank you for taking my comment literally, making false assumptions and a request based on those false assumptions.

It was intended to be taken literally, really. :lol:
:insert big sarcasm smilie here:

[imported_Rabbi Samild]

Well since the other post is closed i want to add here the list of people that me an sandra talked with and dont like the skillgain and the pvm the hard as it is:
Rider
Shima
Camaron
Chaoticz
Edu
Devilman
Ruyman
Jhonny
Erendis
Solbia
Sandra
Error
Alberto
Warmachine
Silverwolf
Technique
Hilbert
Love
Kitiara
Halifax
Damballa
Pink dragon
Dedoverde
Pop
Ruper
Kanzaki
Martin
Saske-kun
El fechorias
Soldado
The Pamthom
Michel Corleone
Oasis
Borja
Shishuka
Mei
Punk
Baldufa
Xiyak
Sky
Nazgul
Dudak
Kintaken
Penkerito
Bobobo

Some of those people are banned. I hope those on your list really aren't letting you be their spokesperson. If so, that's sad. You never played anyway. Your intentions are good, but all you've done is whined and *****ed and said the GMs hate you, blah blah blah. You have probably never even played "UO" which is a game that involves more than just running around spamming power words then logging off.

Skill gain is fine. Quit whining. You could've trained all of your skills to GM now in the time you've whined about it. And PVM is fine, you just don't know where to hunt.

I'm not challenging how you feel I'm challenging how you're going about it. Skills aren't going to get easier just because people are too lazy to spend a week training every PVP skill to GM, that's just too bad. It's really easy, for real. I could make a 2500 skill char in a week with all GM combats, healing, magery, etc. PVM and moneymaking is easy. Start suggesting ways of making it more profitable, not EASIER.

Stop posting. You're just being lazy.

[imported_Camaron]

Rider
Shima
Chaoticz
Edu
Devilman
Jhonny
Error
Alberto
Nazgul
Warmachine
I know all irl and they think same as me i know more irl who dont want to play because its too hard too.
The other some of them i saw them saying same and the rest sandra said me that think like us.

As i said lot of times i dont care about pvm and skills bein hard because i dont need nothing.

And when u say maybe i didnt play uo well... maybe u are the one that only played at IN and want all to be like it was there. I played lots of shards i´ve been playing ultima online like 10 years more or less. So dont say stupid things i played in very diferent types of servers so dont tell i only spam and log out. I played a lot on this server i didnt saw u (only one time spaming i have XXXXX money like a retarded) and i dont say u didnt play because i asume u were alone in your world making money and more money or maybe u have diferent timezone. If u have fun playing alone in a server why u dont create one and play there alone? u can be the most rich there too so u dont need other players anymore.

U said u can do a full char blablabla the problem is that NOT ALL THE PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO RAISE FAST A CHARACTER. Most of them doesnt check forums or nothing just want to play and have fun but they cant here.
Im complaining about all this because i like to interact with players while i play because there is the fun to me ingame ganking and interacting. I know u are very confortable in the server no matter if there is only 5 playerbase because u play alone but not all the people think like u.

As i said in spanish forum i wont **** more in the forums (like some of u say) and i wont try to get more playerbase or help new players. You want me to stop so ill do. Since i have my char ready and with all that i need. Ill wait for you to make the shard reborn and when there is action etc ill come back.

See you