[imported_Fable]

If you ever could learn to write something constructive and at least try to see the matter from an objective view I'm sure it wouldn't seem like people "ganging up on you". It's because of your arguments does never have anything constructive in them people start to freak out on you.

An argument like "this will ruin the pvp", "I don't think this is a good idea" or "you're an idiot" is totally worthless unless you can motivate it, which you very rarely do, even though you might try sometimes.

You're more than welcome to state your opinion, but if you want people motivated your opinion is the right one, you better start doing with some finesse. You always state how this is internet and you don't care about how you write, maybe you should have a second thought on that. Voodo's post is a pretty good example. Do you think he got his point across very well? Hell, I bet half of his point is lost, not only will many people just skip his posts because of the look of it, even the ones who reads won't get what he's writing. I doubt it's anything harshly wrong with his english skills either, if he just could try take one more second to write it more properly, it wouldn't look like a complete mess.

It takes two to argue, though there's nothing wrong with arguing as long as both parts stay on a mature level. It's fully possible only one part's arguing on an immature level while the other part stays on the mature level, with that said, if it happens something to you it doesn't require it happens something to someone else.

Like Taran wrote;



Even though you have been trying to get your point across with plenty of posts in this thread, you haven't come with any good arguments for why this is a bad idea. That's a fact and I hope this will tell you something. Start thinking through your ideas and opinions before you post.

well said! seriously though.. order vs order sounds a bit to stupid.. i thought there were 2 sides so that you could choose. and then there is neutral to those who just want to have a guild without being insecure about entering cities, unguarded or guarded doesnt matter

[smoke]

it is stupid because even if they want their guild to go order, they're still going to die by the chaos guild (prototype) in town so they'll stay neutral so i don't know what rabbi and all them all want this changed because they won't even have it enabled because they won't want to die

[imported_Kandorin]

it is stupid because even if they want their guild to go order, they're still going to die by the chaos guild (prototype) in town so they'll stay neutral so i don't know what rabbi and all them all want this changed because they won't even have it enabled because they won't want to die

Maybe we want it changed because we agree with the changes and we also think that order vs order is stupid, regardless the fact that it won't make any difference to us. We are just expressing our opinion as shard players.

[smoke]

Maybe we want it changed because we agree with the changes and we also think that order vs order is stupid, regardless the fact that it won't make any difference to us. We are just expressing our opinion as shard players.

well if you want things you won't even use don't complain about them to ruin it for us

[Eighty Swords]

well if you want things you won't even use don't complain about them to ruin it for us

Agreed.

[imported_Kandorin]

well if you want things you won't even use don't complain about them to ruin it for us

It's not about you. Why does it have to be about you? Don't be egocentric.

[smoke]

It's not about you. Why does it have to be about you? Don't be egocentric.

because i really created this post right?, since when is it about me? you want something changed without reason you're the one being greedy and unlogical even eightyswords is agreeing with me which rarely happens

[imported_Kandorin]

Dude whatever, look people here stated good arguments like Taran said, those who are against it haven't been able to give any good arguments. So work on it

[imported_LudaKrishna]

we have good arguments. people just fail to realize them.

what if people in an order guild hate another order guild? they can't even attack the other order guild anymore because of this.

[imported_maxkicker]

it is non sence, green people who are suposed to be your "Guild allies" atack and kill you for fun, when it is suposed to be Green vs oranges.... i think there should be a penalty for atacking your allies

i got tired of reading so ohh well if this is a repeat

i believe cailey is being killed by her (own) guild i that's the case find a new guild

when sd used to get together an practice pvp it was nice to not get a kill counts especially for the newb.

i do however think you should get a kill count for killing other order/choas
guilds because when your in guarded town and you see a orange guy pop up you automatic know you have to fight him, fighting every green and orange dude that comes through seems like it would get old quick especially when not everyone has this mentalty to attack every guild order or chaos

ohh yah and it should only take one party to wage war
if it was meant to be that way why even have 3 types of guilds ?
you just need 2 neutral and whatever

ohh yah it should only take one party to wage war

[imported_Kandorin]

we have good arguments. people just fail to realize them.

what if people in an order guild hate another order guild? they can't even attack the other order guild anymore because of this.

So you are saying that Taran failed to realize your good arguments? And about your question, cant they declare war?

[imported_LudaKrishna]

Where do I even mention Taran in my post? Seriously your funny trying to flip stuff around.

holy christ man can u not read? When you declare war on another guild the other guild must ACCEPT the declaration of war thus if u have a really good order guild that hates this sucky order guild, of course the sucky guild won't accept.

On top of that Order "should" defend brit and not pk innocents, however you can't enforce that as players should be allowed to pk whoever they want, it is their choice to pk whoever they want. It's like telling a red person he HAS to kill people. It's the players choice.