[imported_Shifty]

We need a new duel stone arena. The one we currently have looks nice...but that's about it. We don't need something that looks nice. We need something that doesn't lag. There is no need for 12 different duel stones. There is no need for platforms for the rings to sit on. There is no need for any fancy decoration(benches, chairs, plants, etc). There is no need for npc's. The only thing that would be useful would be an anvil/forge and possibly an fs scroll transformer. The new arena should be on grass. Just like the new area used for free duels. The new arena should only have 4 duel stones. A 5k, 10k, 20k, and 50k stone. The new stones should be one or two squares bigger to prevent "stepper failure" and "client resend". The new free duel arena had perfect size ring. Not the big ffa ring, but the smaller ring at the bottom meant for 1v1. And it doesn't lag.

The shard is already on a slow decline once again. Having the option to duel for money at any time is one thing that keeps me active. But as of yesterday, I am no longer gonna be using the duel stones, because of the reasons stated above. So really, I wont be active hardly at all. I can guarantee this will increase the decline in active players. A new duel stones that you can actually duel in without lagging and getting the "stepper failure" and "client resend" msg will keep me around. And I'm sure it will make a lot of ppl happy.

[smoke]

ehh you find it looks nice? it's way to small common colors and it's just plain wood =/ and yeah it lags in there like crazy, for some odd reason when you enter the stones it auto enabled .bf to you're char which is annyoing because some people choose not to use it

but yeah we need better duel stones more space less laggy and disable that autoenable .bf thing

[imported_MadMan]

We need a new duel stone arena. The one we currently have looks nice...but that's about it. We don't need something that looks nice. We need something that doesn't lag. There is no need for 12 different duel stones. There is no need for platforms for the rings to sit on. There is no need for any fancy decoration(benches, chairs, plants, etc). There is no need for npc's. The only thing that would be useful would be an anvil/forge and possibly an fs scroll transformer. The new arena should be on grass. Just like the new area used for free duels. The new arena should only have 4 duel stones. A 5k, 10k, 20k, and 50k stone. The new stones should be one or two squares bigger to prevent "stepper failure" and "client resend". The new free duel arena had perfect size ring. Not the big ffa ring, but the smaller ring at the bottom meant for 1v1. And it doesn't lag.

The shard is already on a slow decline once again. Having the option to duel for money at any time is one thing that keeps me active. But as of yesterday, I am no longer gonna be using the duel stones, because of the reasons stated above. So really, I wont be active hardly at all. I can guarantee this will increase the decline in active players. A new duel stones that you can actually duel in without lagging and getting the "stepper failure" and "client resend" msg will keep me around. And I'm sure it will make a lot of ppl happy.

I agree I resend every single second in the current duel stones.. the area is soo small and has so many unneeded stuff around. Also what would be very nice is a Regs stone close to the new duel arena if there is going to be one. just incase a player runs out of regs during the duel they can easily click it and buy more regs instantly without duel stopping

[Eighty Swords]

Maybe the staff could open the old duel stone arena, that I think is a static. The one with like a lodge in the middle and some duel stones to the top-right and some to the bottom-left. The walls, floor and minor amount of deco there being static should help with any lag issues.

And as shifty said it has everything needed; a few rings at different prices, I don't think the .bf filter is auto applied (unless this has been made a default setting on all duel stones or if a staff changed the area flag to do it).

And it has reg/supply stones that you can access from any duel area and if I remember correctly it also has scroll transformers along the sides.

[imported_Shade]

The current area is static, minus the fences and the duel stones, meaning the platforms, floors, seating, etc are no strain to your computer nor do they cause lag or item count. If a few fences lag you, I don't know how you guys handle pvp events lol. In any case the fences can be made static when we update our files. The old duel area had non-static walls as well so it won't make any real difference.

If you are lagging while casting I think the lag is pretty much your end (or the entire shard is lagging at that moment), however if you are trying to move and jumping around it could be because of something like rubber banding that happens more frequently do to the small area.

[Eighty Swords]

Thanks for sharing Shade. Wasn't sure if the current area was static or not and I know people complained before areas were made static so I thought that could help if it wasn't already done.

[imported_Gang-Bang]

Pretty easy to figure out if its static or not As I remember Circle of transperancy works only on static items. So if you can't see through with circle turned on - its not static..

[imported_MadMan]

I dont lag inside of it i think. I just resend soooooooooo much more because its very small hehe

[imported_Hate]

This is (as far as I can remember) the size we've pretty much always used in these duel stone areas (at XUO, NG, CF, etc etc). The reason we in the first place those this size is because it does not let you "run away" so much during the duel, which some people tend to do when they go low on mana in "duel pits-arenas", which causes the duels to last way longer than they have to. Another reason is that we could compress a lot of arenas in not that much of a space, allowing players to observe several duels at once, and also easily join in if they see somebody enter an arena. If the arenas would be too far away from each other then players would have to be like "come with me to the 10k arena 5 miles away and we'll duel, yes?" ;p at least now when the duel stone arena isn't "that" active.

I've also heard people complain about lag whenever there is items around, no matter if it is static or not. I think the statics may cause "computer-lag" when it comes to very old computers, cause the graphic card still has to process all the "decoration" in it, but I do not believe that it would cause any internet-lag because of that it is always there, it is static, it does not have to be updated 24/7 like most other stuff.

Anyways, I don't mind the idea of one more duel stone area tho, one with bigger arenas but not as many, and with more grass and less decorations. Perhaps it would be better that way. Either way the players are always right and if you aren't happy with the way the duel stone arena is now, then we will of course do our best to change it around to fill your needs. I do however believe that some people may like the one we have now, there for I would rather create a second rather than replace thisone completely. If the players then would feel that the new one is soo much better, then we might as well remove the first one, but I'd at least give them a chance to choose for a while :]

I'd say lets put the area-makers Odium and Ginz on it, and I'll observe the process and try to make sure that the new arenas fulfill your needs :] Anyways, that's what I think, that's for reading yet another book by mr Hate

Regards,
Hate

[smoke]

This is (as far as I can remember) the size we've pretty much always used in these duel stone areas (at XUO, NG, CF, etc etc). The reason we in the first place those this size is because it does not let you "run away" so much during the duel, which some people tend to do when they go low on mana in "duel pits-arenas", which causes the duels to last way longer than they have to. Another reason is that we could compress a lot of arenas in not that much of a space, allowing players to observe several duels at once, and also easily join in if they see somebody enter an arena. If the arenas would be too far away from each other then players would have to be like "come with me to the 10k arena 5 miles away and we'll duel, yes?" ;p at least now when the duel stone arena isn't "that" active.

I've also heard people complain about lag whenever there is items around, no matter if it is static or not. I think the statics may cause "computer-lag" when it comes to very old computers, cause the graphic card still has to process all the "decoration" in it, but I do not believe that it would cause any internet-lag because of that it is always there, it is static, it does not have to be updated 24/7 like most other stuff.

Anyways, I don't mind the idea of one more duel stone area tho, one with bigger arenas but not as many, and with more grass and less decorations. Perhaps it would be better that way. Either way the players are always right and if you aren't happy with the way the duel stone arena is now, then we will of course do our best to change it around to fill your needs. I do however believe that some people may like the one we have now, there for I would rather create a second rather than replace thisone completely. If the players then would feel that the new one is soo much better, then we might as well remove the first one, but I'd at least give them a chance to choose for a while :]

I'd say lets put the area-makers Odium and Ginz on it, and I'll observe the process and try to make sure that the new arenas fulfill your needs :] Anyways, that's what I think, that's for reading yet another book by mr Hate

Regards,
Hate

But Hate I don't understand that, you say the duel stones are smaller so it's to take less time in duels and tournies it takes longer. Well duel stone duels are unsuperovised so i don't see why it would be a problem to make the duel arenas bigger seeing as the portal is always opened so people can duel freely and it's the one thing we don't need a gm for (for pvp).

I agree with Madman on this though it does resend and recount resources in the duel stones though.. Another thing that's annyoing is having to take off .bf when you enter the arena because i don't like to use it because it crashes me and it autoenabled it when you enter the arena =/

On a side note, persoanlly i find things that are not static made to lag WAY LESS.. either way i've never liked the duel stones i've just never made a topic about it because i was to lazy and it's not a "major" thing to do for the staff but it's pretty much the reason i don't duel in there anymore for the lack of space/lag. I don't really mind having benchs/anvil and forge for spectactors and to repair weapons, but like shifty said decorations are pretty much useless in duel stones.

[imported_Hate]

But Hate I don't understand that, you say the duel stones are smaller so it's to take less time in duels and tournies it takes longer. Well duel stone duels are unsuperovised so i don't see why it would be a problem to make the duel arenas bigger seeing as the portal is always opened so people can duel freely and it's the one thing we don't need a gm for (for pvp).

That's because if the arena is too big then some players will just run around and play "safe" for hours (healing, mostly with bandages, not doing hardly any offensive attacks) until the other guy runs out of resources, just to kill him after that. In a tourney if some player would do that you'd get teleported into 1x1 box after a while, but nobody does that at the duel stones, because there's no GM there.

I agree with Madman on this though it does resend and recount resources in the duel stones though.. Another thing that's annyoing is having to take off .bf when you enter the arena because i don't like to use it because it crashes me and it autoenabled it when you enter the arena =/

I have no problem with us removing auto-BF if it's causing problems with you players. After all it's not hard to enable it yourself if you'd want it during the arena. I would have to discuss it with my fellow staffmembers tho, but I don't think it'd be an issue as long as the players would want it removed.

Regards,
Hate

[smoke]

That's because if the arena is too big then some players will just run around and play "safe" for hours (healing, mostly with bandages, not doing hardly any offensive attacks) until the other guy runs out of resources, just to kill him after that. In a tourney if some player would do that you'd get teleported into 1x1 box after a while, but nobody does that at the duel stones, because there's no GM there

Regards,
Hate

true you do get boxed after a while, but you can also be agressive and fs back too I mean it wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't lagging us/resending/recounting resources. But if it's there because some people would be imature and since it hasn't happened yet i say we give it a try =/ we never had that problem on xuo not once with the bigger areaed duel stones