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Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Rabbi Samild - 12-05-2008

maka Wrote:Remember to comment on other peoples suggestions if you do not agree with them.

Type/Name: Makaveli
Strength: Insanely High
Balancing suggestions(*): Lower work time, Increase salary ( I dont remember how high it was)
Loot: 600 million+ gold
Balancing suggestions(*): Decrease stress, add massage
Time to kill: You can't kill him
Hunting value: Like Chuck Norris, he can't be found until it's too late for you
Method used(*): C++, C#, Java, SQL
Free-text suggestions(*): I wanna see more Maka with new players around the world

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Ryuuku - 12-06-2008

Type/Name: Daemons
Strength: Easy (if you can cast), Medium (if not)
Balancing suggestions(*): Add more str, a good amount more ( I wanna see people afraid to melee than)
Loot: 400 gold, full spell book, crap wepon / armor
Balancing suggestions(*): Add more 400 gold
Time to kill: 1min or less
Hunting value: low
Method used(*): summon and bow
Free-text suggestions(*):

Type/Name: Drakes
Strength: Easy
Balancing suggestions(*): none
Loot: 400 gold, scrolls
Balancing suggestions(*): +300 gold
Time to kill: 1 min
Hunting value: low
Method used(*): Summon , Bow
Free-text suggestions(*):

Type/Name: Dragons
Strength: Medium
Balancing suggestions(*): add more 20% HP
Loot: 900 gold, gems , scrolls, crap armor/wepon
Balancing suggestions(*): add more 600/700 gold
Time to kill: 2 min or less
Hunting value: medium
Method used(*): Summon , Bow
Free-text suggestions(*):

My free text suggestions about all than:

Remove Gems -> Instead of drop a gem , drop his value on gold, Ex: if you can sell a diamont for 50 gold , and buy for 100 on a npc, make instead of drop the diamont drop 75 gold.

Nerf Full Spell Books: make than incomplet spell book or make drop only on High Mages Mobs, like Vampire Lords, High mages, not every monster drop it.

Remove scrolls from non mage monster like drakes.

I made a edit on Shadow Wyrm and Skeletal Dragon post (first post)

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - maka - 12-06-2008

I love you <3 Big Grin

Last few days I've been working on a system that tracks moster kills, just in case we would not get enough input. My system will be used later on too, to balance loots when shard goes out of beta, but with everyones help we will make the shard a lot better place for when we relaunch.

My system will keep track of monster kill time, how many times the monster has killed the players trying to kill it, summons used, loot types (as in vanq, defense and such) and obviously gold.

Thanks again

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Shade - 12-06-2008

Ryuuku Wrote:Type/Name: Daemons
Strength: Easy (if you can cast), Medium (if not)
Balancing suggestions(*): Add more str, a good amount more ( I wanna see people afraid to melee than)
Loot: 400 gold, full spell book, crap wepon / armor
Balancing suggestions(*): Add more 400 gold
Time to kill: 1min or less
Hunting value: low
Method used(*): summon and bow

Sounds like you want to make daemons into daemon knights :p

Quote:Type/Name: Drakes
Strength: Easy
Balancing suggestions(*): none
Loot: 400 gold, scrolls
Balancing suggestions(*): +300 gold
Time to kill: 1 min
Hunting value: low
Method used(*): Summon , Bow

Drakes are too easy to kill, at most I would say +50-100 gold should be added.

Quote:Type/Name: Dragons
Strength: Medium
Balancing suggestions(*): add more 20% HP
Loot: 900 gold, gems , scrolls, crap armor/wepon
Balancing suggestions(*): add more 600/700 gold
Time to kill: 2 min or less
Hunting value: medium
Method used(*): Summon , Bow
Free-text suggestions(*):

I agree dragons should get a little boost of strength but maybe only a 200-400 gold boost unless they became much harder to kill.

Quote:Remove Gems -> Instead of drop a gem , drop his value on gold, Ex: if you can sell a diamont for 50 gold , and buy for 100 on a npc, make instead of drop the diamont drop 75 gold.

Gems are better because it makes you have to take that extra step to get the money in full from your kill. With gems, you have the choice to take the time to make money off them or just decide it is not worth it. I personally like it that way better.

Quote:Nerf Full Spell Books: make than incomplet spell book or make drop only on High Mages Mobs, like Vampire Lords, High mages, not every monster drop it.

Since the full spellbooks that drop aren't newbied I think they are a nice addition to items, since players can give them to new players or use them themselves until they get a full book.

Quote:Remove scrolls from non mage monster like drakes.

Agreed.

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Ryuuku - 12-06-2008

Shade Wrote:Sounds like you want to make daemons into daemon knights :p

ok, ok a bit more strong? Big Grin

I can melee a daemon with an old cooper armor Â¬Â¬

Shade Wrote:Drakes are too easy to kill, at most I would say +50-100 gold should be added.

200??? xD

Shade Wrote:I agree dragons should get a little boost of strength but maybe only a 200-400 gold boost unless they became much harder to kill.

At last 1.5k on loot if the gems stay. And also buff HP

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - maka - 12-09-2008

I've made an official list on the staff forum, how I plan to change the loots. I'll give the staff one day to comment before I implement them.

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Jiraiya - 12-15-2008

Well I ran through covetous today and did some extremes as well so heres some input. I'm not sure but it seems like the extreme drags have already undergone some changes? cuz it used to take 1 EV and about 15-20 BS, but now I had to use 2 ev's and like 35 BS for the same loot? Which will be totally fine because they do drop extreme AR, but there needs to be other monsters which drop good gold and I didnt really find many.

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[U]Type/Name: Extreme Drag[/U] 

[U]Strength: They require scrolls to solo of course, I think with the added str since the last patch they are fine[/U] 

[I]Balancing suggestions: Seems ok[/I] 

[U]Loot: maybe like +1k more gold per with the added str, but obviously if there are other mobs who will be taking the place of extremes as the main cash cows then you dont want extremes being worth too much, people should be after them for armor[/U] 

[I]Balancing suggestions: Is it totally random what extreme piece drops because it seems as if everyone is always short the gorget for a set?[/I] 

[U]Time to kill: Around 5 mins now, was about 3 previously[/U] 

[U]Hunting value:+3 (was previously +5)[/U] 

[I]Method used: EV+BS's+melee[/I]

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[U]Type/Name: Cyclops[/U]

[U]Strength: Hanna Montana[/U]

[I]Balancing suggestions: These should be a bit tougher, like titans or something without the spellcasting, they are weak sauce and weak loots[/I] 

[U]Loot: Roughly 200g per[/U] 

[I]Balancing suggestions: As a mid range monster and considering the monsters surrounding them I think maybe 1.5-2k gold, there arent a ton of them around so being being a good cash mob would be alright I think.[/I] 

[U]Time to kill: Around 3 mins, because of method used[/U] 

[U]Hunting value: +4[/U] 

[I]Method used: Provoked one to attack the other and dropped a bs under each[/I]

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[U]Type/Name: Lich Lord[/U] 

[U]Strength: They seem perfect in strength[/U] 

[I]Balancing suggestions: None, they feel right on for how quick they die etc.[/I] 

[U]Loot: A few hundred gp and magic items/gems/scrolls[/U] 

[I]Balancing suggestions: I'd like to see these things worth a good bit more, like 2k each[/I]

[U]Time to kill: 1-2 mins[/U] 

[U]Hunting value: +1[/U] 

[I]Method used: EV/bs/provoc/bows[/I] 

[I]Free-text suggestions: I'd like to see lich lords and liches be a good farm spot for cash, like if you could make say 15k in 10 mins, that would be slightly more cash then what you could make farming extreme drags before the patch[/I]

Oh and ogre lords should be worth more as well, they hit very hard and have a lot of hp, take a while to kill. Maybe worth 4k or so.

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Galdor - 12-20-2008

Type/Name: Vampire Lord
Strength: Enough
Balancing suggestions(*): Enough
Loot: Add enable to loot his Vampire Steal Armor
Balancing suggestions(*): Enough
Time to kill: Enough
Hunting value: Enough
Method used(*): No Matter
Free-text suggestions(*): I wana loot and than wear Vampire Steal Armor Cool

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Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Shade - 12-21-2008

Almost every monster was adjusted today. Make sure you give us feedback and let us know what you think. Remember, if you think something drops too much, that's just as important as informing us of things that drop too little. Smile

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Rabbi Samild - 12-22-2008

Pfft, something that drops too much? There isn't such a thing Wink

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Jiraiya - 12-22-2008

just tried out ogres, ettins, ogre lords, ettin lords, titans

Still feels like they are all dropping too little. I can spend 10 minutes killing 4 of them or 3 mins killing an extreme drag, less effort on my part for more reward with the drag.

Found some enraged goats (lol?) that drop 600g each, that seemed right on the mark for difficulty.

Your opinion on loots and monsters (help us!) - imported_Shade - 12-22-2008

Were they enraged before you got there? Maybe someone was trying to touch them and they got mad... They are actually part of a quest:p

Thanks for the feedback though, I will try to do some more comparing and see if I can adjust the monsters mentioned.