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How to improve the shard - imported_Gang-Bang - 07-16-2008
hmm... I know atleast ten(or more) active PvPers who will never die without fake powerwords in 1v1... Sry, but this pvp-style requires reaction. You have to think when enemy has a point to dump you... I know it would be nice to listen music and alt-tabing while dueling... But if u want to win, u have to concentrate on it... Btw, i can bet u dueled maximum few times in here... And to get good at this pvp, u have to spend a fair amount of time on it...
How to improve the shard - imported_Veno - 07-16-2008
Gang-Bang Wrote:hmm... I know atleast ten(or more) active PvPers who will never die without fake powerwords in 1v1... Sry, but this pvp-style requires reaction. You have to think when enemy has a point to dump you... I know it would be nice to listen music and alt-tabing while dueling... But if u want to win, u have to concentrate on it... Btw, i can bet u dueled maximum few times in here... And to get good at this pvp, u have to spend a fair amount of time on it...
Thats how i like it though. 2 evenly matched people should have a hard time killing each other.
Sphere 51 pvp was much easier to survive than the setup here on INX.
And if people dont die enough then change things, new weapons that hurt more, make healing less efficient... Stuff like that. The fake powerwords are just annoying and stupid.
How to improve the shard - imported_Gang-Bang - 07-16-2008
lol easier to survive? man, i mean duels till someone will be outta resources - thats what will be if we remove powerwords. And i just didnt get ... U wanna say its hard to survive for someone who knows how to duel in here? With those fakespells, without total mana potions, its just alot more challange. U cant make mistakes in here, or you will be killed... And with it duel doesnt takes forever anymore..
Dude, try to duel someone, atleast once...
Seriously, man. U dont know anything about this pvp... U didnt dueled in here... just try to spend time on it... Because without FakeSpells it would be just like if we added total mana potions...
How to improve the shard - imported_Gang-Bang - 07-16-2008
lol easier to survive? man, i mean duels till someone will be outta resources - thats what will be if we remove powerwords. And i just didnt get ... U wanna say its easily to kill someone who knows how to duel in here?
Dude, try to duel someone, atleast once...
Seriously, man. U dont know anything about this pvp... U didnt dueled in here... just try to spend time on it... Because without FakeSpells it would be just like if we added total mana potions...
How to improve the shard - imported_Veno - 07-16-2008
Gang-Bang Wrote:lol easier to survive? man, i mean duels till someone will be outta resources - thats what will be if we remove powerwords. And i just didnt get ... U wanna say its hard to survive for someone who knows how to duel in here? With those fakespells, without total mana potions, its just alot more challange. U cant make mistakes in here, or you will be killed... And with it duel doesnt takes forever anymore..
Dude, try to duel someone, atleast once...
Seriously, man. U dont know anything about this pvp... U didnt dueled in here... just try to spend time on it... Because without FakeSpells it would be just like if we added total mana potions...
Try reading my post again.
I like if its hard to kill people, means that it takes more of an effort and its more rewarding.
The pvp we had on IN1 was original .51a with better armor and weapons. We had full manas and no fake spamming. Pvp worked fine on there even though people didnt die every 10 mins.
How to improve the shard - maka - 07-16-2008
Veno Wrote:The pvp we had on IN1 was original .51a with better armor and weapons.Not to be mean or anything, but I really do not think you know what "original .51a" PvP is. The "original" PvP tends to be very colored by the servers you've played. If you actually ran and tweaked a default .51a server, you probably do.
Now on the dueling time note...
When me and Seer Hate/Ztoke used to duel, a normal duel would be 20-60 mins, that is long enough I think.
A normal duel between two good players tend to take about 10-20 mins.
A normal duel between one good and one average player takes about 5-10 mins.
These are just my perception of how long it takes, but I'd say they are quite accurate.
How to improve the shard - imported_Veno - 07-16-2008
maka Wrote:Not to be mean or anything, but I really do not think you know what "original .51a" PvP is. The "original" PvP tends to be very colored by the servers you've played. If you actually ran and tweaked a default .51a server, you probably do.
Now on the dueling time note...
When me and Seer Hate/Ztoke used to duel, a normal duel would be 20-60 mins, that is long enough I think.
A normal duel between two good players tend to take about 10-20 mins.
A normal duel between one good and one average player takes about 5-10 mins.
These are just my perception of how long it takes, but I'd say they are quite accurate.
Firstly, dont pick sentences apart in quotes. I wrote original .51a with new armor and weapons.
I dont pretend to know everything that was changed or if there was any more than just that. I only played it(and loved it) i didnt create it.
Im not even sure why individual duel time came up. My point has all the way thru been that fake spell spamming is crap and that all the other changes to pvp are good. I like the way scrolls work and that it isnt possible to just spam GH scrolls and be able to survive a 2 v 1 fight easily.
I might be able to accept fakes but only if it is made quite obvious and given a timer of several seconds. Something like adding a sparkle effect on a player when he is casting a real spell would do. One could still time it to hit the fake spell button at the same time so that the enemy might get confused a bit but atleast the permanent button jamming .1 sec retard spamming would stop.
How to improve the shard - maka - 07-16-2008
Edited the post to make you jolly.
I, unlike you, do not use quotes to signal what person I'm answering. When I use quotes it is to address a specific issue in a persons post, and that is the issue that I quote.
I don't think that weapon damage and armor ratings have a lot to do with the "PvP" style, so I left it out, in hope for you to better see what I was referring too. You also clearly knew that the weapons were tweaked so there was no point for me to mention it. What you obviously don't know (but claimed to know - "The pvp we had on IN1 was original .51a with better armor and weapons.") is what original sphere .51a PvP is, hence me quoting that part.
So really, no need to go all sad if my quote didn't actually misrepresent what you said, but I do apologize for the tears it caused. The post was not an attack, just a clarification on what's what, and how I think it is on INX.
How to improve the shard - imported_Veno - 07-16-2008
maka Wrote:Edited the post to make you jolly.
I, unlike you, do not use quotes to signal what person I'm answering. When I use quotes it is to address a specific issue in a persons post, and that is the issue that I quote.
I don't think that weapon damage and armor ratings have a lot to do with the "PvP" style, so I left it out, in hope for you to better see what I was referring too. You also clearly knew that the weapons were tweaked so there was no point for me to mention it. What you obviously don't know (but claimed to know - "The pvp we had on IN1 was original .51a with better armor and weapons.") is what original sphere .51a PvP is, hence me quoting that part.
So really, no need to go all sad if my quote didn't actually misrepresent what you said, but I do apologize for the tears it caused. The post was not an attack, just a clarification on what's what, and how I think it is on INX.
Oh your just so mature in your arguing arent you
You are obviously looking for things in my posts that hold no relevance to the actually meaning of my concerns/ideas and i really dont see any point in further indulging you with answers to your singled out parts of my posts.
If at any time you wish to get on topic with me then feel free to do so. I will gladly discuss my ideas with anyone willing to actually talk about them instead of bickering about gramma, choice of words or whatever else it may be.
How to improve the shard - maka - 07-16-2008
You might want to read my replies though, after carefully reading your own. My "singled out parts of our posts" were actually answers to your last two coherent, non trolling, posts. If you come to the conclusion that you didn't get your point through, maybe you should stop quoting full posts and restructure your sentences. However, I'm quite sure your dislike of power words have been noted.
Arguing sucks when you are offensive, wrong and loose.
How to improve the shard - imported_Tabion - 07-16-2008
Now now you two, lets try to calm down. Nothing relaxes tension between two people like some "just friends" spooning. Besides if you two don't discuss this maturely I will have to lock this thread... as soon as maka lets me borrow his forum account.
How to improve the shard - imported_Fable - 07-18-2008
pls remove spam for a couple of weeks and pls see the results, me or gang or pedro in finals against each other and all in perfect shape.... hmm if its auto supplied u better go to sleep and wake up next morning and see who got tired first and suicided... but well dont believe me? when u se "kal vas flam" over the oponent and u know it aint a real fs u will use ur potion and gh, or if u cant use pot, gh scroll and continuesly gh after. really easy to survive. really hard to dump.. :confused: